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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: camel78@iprimus.com.au
Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?
Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 12:12:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40954804.6050901@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200405011303.07645.camel78@iprimus.com.au>

Thanks much.  This helps after getting a 1.8 million dollar ARDA Reiser6 
proposal rejected because the reviewers thought that the GPL was some 
sort of proprietary license.  (Really they did.  They also thought there 
was no realistic chance of anyone using anything other than Windows in 
the government, but the proprosal using this proprietary GPL license was 
the main killer for 8 of the 9 reviewers, at least one of whom seemed to 
think that it would make the project unlikely to get anywhere in the 
Linux community....  )  I spent weeks on that proposal....

Michael Milverton wrote:

>On Sat, 1 May 2004 12:56 am, Hans Reiser wrote:
>  
>
>>Michael, you are much more eloquent than I am.  Thanks for understanding.
>>
>>Hans
>>
>>    
>>
>
>No worries Hans, understanding, appreciation and acknowledgement are the 
>underlying currency of free software. I think that this is often lost in 
>these sorts of debates and I believe that if the concerns that you have were 
>acknowledged and addressed then it would be easier to work through the 
>technical issues that people have with them.
>
>I have been a little bit alarmed over the last month or so at some of the 
>barbed comments that people have made in critisising your vision and the 
>effort that you have made to create quite a revolutionary filesystem. I find 
>it alarming because negative input really makes a large withdrawl from the 
>only bank account that free software has, eg the good human interactions and 
>the pleasure associated with developing free software, the emotional bank 
>account as Steven Covey puts it. I also see the same issue with this credits 
>and naming issue, it is withdrawing from this bank account because the 
>underlying concerns are not always being heard and understood properly. 
>
>At the end of the day I don't want to see this emotional bank account become 
>overdrawn to the point where the negatives of releasing this software outway 
>the benefits gained and this is what makes me alarmed and so I feel that 
>something must be said.
>
>Therefore to make a deposit into this emotional bank account I would like to 
>state that I really appreciate the vision and dedication that you and those 
>that work with you have shown in bringing the reiser filesystems into the 
>Free Software and I believe that many others feel the same, they just need to 
>say it more often so we can balance the bank account :).
>
>Thankyou
>Michael Milverton
>  
>


  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-02 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-24 19:32 Fwd: reiser4 non-free? Domenico Andreoli
2004-04-25 16:13 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30  4:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30  5:56   ` Don Armstrong
2004-04-30 11:48     ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 14:12       ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-04-30 15:33         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 16:52           ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:58           ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-01 19:40           ` Steve Langasek
2004-04-30 17:07         ` David Masover
2004-04-30 17:58           ` Hubert Chan
2004-04-30 22:53             ` David Masover
2004-05-02 19:46           ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 15:13       ` Scott James Remnant
2004-04-30 17:43       ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 21:02         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:55           ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 22:37             ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:04               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:19                 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:30                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03  6:58             ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:11               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:21                 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:35                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:49                     ` mjt
2004-05-03 18:00                       ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-04 16:01                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:57                           ` Martin Dickopp
2004-05-04 15:50                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 19:43                         ` mjt
2004-05-03 22:25               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-03 16:35             ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:16               ` Mahesh T. Pai
2004-05-03 18:55               ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-03 23:06               ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:33           ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:53             ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04  0:00               ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04  7:52                 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 16:20                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 16:45                     ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:02                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:38                         ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:47                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:15                             ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 18:53                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:00                                 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-05-06 19:14                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:22                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 21:19                                 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 23:21                                   ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 23:29                                     ` MJ Ray
2004-05-07  7:04                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:00                         ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06  2:52                           ` David Masover
2004-05-06 12:32                             ` Walter Landry
2004-05-06 13:44                               ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 14:36                                 ` Domenico Andreoli
2004-05-06 16:35                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-06 16:43                                   ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 18:10                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 18:42                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2004-05-06 18:59                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 23:16                                           ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-06 23:18                                           ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 18:18                                           ` Raul Miller
2004-05-06 22:55                                       ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07  1:21                                         ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07  2:12                                           ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-12 13:31                                             ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07  6:47                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-08 13:50                                           ` Sami Liedes
2004-05-06 23:23                                       ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 23:40                                         ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07  0:15                                           ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-10 17:15                                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:20                                             ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 16:14                                         ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-09  7:08                                           ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 18:41                                     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:40                                       ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-04 18:57                         ` Fwd: " Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-06 19:34                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:49                             ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 19:54                               ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:56                                 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 20:02                                   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:20                     ` Martin Michlmayr
2004-05-04 17:40                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:54                       ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:44                         ` Joe Wreschnig
2004-05-06 18:58                           ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:59                     ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:02     ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 13:25       ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? [OT] evilninja
2004-04-30 13:34       ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? MJ Ray
2004-05-03 14:24         ` Claus Färber
2004-05-04  9:56           ` MJ Ray
2004-05-10 18:15             ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:20   ` Walter Landry
2004-04-30 14:55     ` Narcoleptic Electron
2004-04-30  8:34 ` Fwd: " Stewart Smith
2004-04-30 18:15   ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-02 18:51     ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:26 ` Michael Milverton
2004-04-30 16:56   ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-01  5:02     ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-02 19:12       ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2004-05-02 21:03         ` Stefan Traby
2004-04-30 16:56   ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 17:13     ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 19:42       ` MJ Ray
2004-05-02 19:55         ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 17:23   ` Jason Stubbs
2004-04-30 22:39     ` David Masover
2004-05-03 22:15       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-04  2:07         ` David Masover
2004-05-02 17:03     ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-03 17:41 Burnes, James
2004-05-03 17:45 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:38 ` Martin List-Petersen
     [not found] <A69517E67905B6429D57AA9EB6C86E6855266A@haynesmail.haynes-group.com>
2004-05-03 20:16 ` Tim Donahue
2004-05-04 19:18 Burnes, James
2004-05-05  3:11 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-05 20:10   ` mjt
2004-05-07 15:51 Dawson, Larry
2004-05-07 16:26 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-07 16:40 Dawson, Larry

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