From: David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com>
To: Jeremy Hankins <nowan@nowan.org>
Cc: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
debian-legal@lists.debian.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: reiser4 non-free?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:07:08 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <409287BC.10405@slaphack.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878ygdk10n.fsf@wasp.nowan.org>
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| It is entirely within your rights as copyright holder to push whatever
| social agenda you wish with your software license -- but debian-legal's
| position is that that will make the license non-free. If you wish to
| require that it not be used in nuclear facilities, fine: non-free. If
| you require that people who use the software spend a moment to think
| about the plight of the homeless, fine: non-free. Just as, when you
| require attribution in a particular format and with a particular text,
| that's fine, but non-free.
This seems entirely too black-and-white to me. If a license for
commercial software requires me to purchase a copy of it and only run
one copy at a time, on one machine at a time, that's acceptable to me.
I would prefer that the license allow me to pirate at will, of course,
or that the source all be there and the license allows me to fork it.
Similarly, I am not willing to accept a license which requires me to
allow the company publishing the software to automatically update it at
any time, and to pretty much do whatever they want to my machine with no
liability. I am also not willing to accept a license which requires me
to license all works produced by the software to them.
Basically, by having "free" and "non-free", you lump everything together
into "free" as in absolutely, strictly, lilly-white, no-strings-attached
freedom, while "non-free" covers everything from reiser (free, as above,
with the restriction that there must be attribution) to microsoft (you
pay a huge license fee and basically sign away your soul).
Even if you don't think Microsoft is as evil as that, I still think it
would be a personal insult to Hans and everyone involved if anyone
called them a huge, faceless corporation.
I use Gentoo, personally, but one of my favorite things about debian is
that I can choose a level of stability -- from "stable but 5-10 years
old" to "this WILL break your computer", _including_ things in between
such as "don't trust your life savings to it, but we've never seen it
break" and "this is slightly bleeding-edge, but people have gotten it to
work". I think there should be a similar option with licenses -- from
"free" to "microsoft", including things in between such as djb or reiser
style licenses.
Right now, there's only "free" and "non-free". If I am human and sane,
my _only_ choice is probably "non-free" anyway.
If this has already been discussed, please point me to some archive to
read about it.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-30 17:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-04-24 19:32 Fwd: reiser4 non-free? Domenico Andreoli
2004-04-25 16:13 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 4:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 5:56 ` Don Armstrong
2004-04-30 11:48 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 14:12 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-04-30 15:33 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 16:52 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:58 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-01 19:40 ` Steve Langasek
2004-04-30 17:07 ` David Masover [this message]
2004-04-30 17:58 ` Hubert Chan
2004-04-30 22:53 ` David Masover
2004-05-02 19:46 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 15:13 ` Scott James Remnant
2004-04-30 17:43 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 21:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:55 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-02 22:37 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:04 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:19 ` Martin List-Petersen
2004-05-03 17:30 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 6:58 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:11 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:21 ` mjt
2004-05-03 17:35 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 17:49 ` mjt
2004-05-03 18:00 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-04 16:01 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:57 ` Martin Dickopp
2004-05-04 15:50 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 19:43 ` mjt
2004-05-03 22:25 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-03 16:35 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:16 ` Mahesh T. Pai
2004-05-03 18:55 ` Don Armstrong
2004-05-03 23:06 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:33 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-03 21:53 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 0:00 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 7:52 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-05-04 16:20 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 16:45 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:38 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-04 17:47 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:15 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 18:53 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:00 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-05-06 19:14 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:22 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 21:19 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-06 23:21 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 23:29 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-07 7:04 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:00 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 2:52 ` David Masover
2004-05-06 12:32 ` Walter Landry
2004-05-06 13:44 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 14:36 ` Domenico Andreoli
2004-05-06 16:35 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-06 16:43 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-06 18:10 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 18:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-05-06 18:59 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 23:16 ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-06 23:18 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 18:18 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-06 22:55 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-07 1:21 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07 2:12 ` Brian Thomas Sniffen
2004-05-12 13:31 ` Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-07 6:47 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-08 13:50 ` Sami Liedes
2004-05-06 23:23 ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 23:40 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 0:15 ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-10 17:15 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:20 ` Raul Miller
2004-05-07 16:14 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-09 7:08 ` Matthew Palmer
2004-05-06 18:41 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:40 ` Stefan Traby
2004-05-04 18:57 ` Fwd: " Jeremy Hankins
2004-05-06 19:34 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:49 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 19:54 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-06 19:56 ` Chris Dukes
2004-05-06 20:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:20 ` Martin Michlmayr
2004-05-04 17:40 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 17:54 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-04 18:44 ` Joe Wreschnig
2004-05-06 18:58 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-10 17:59 ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:02 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 13:25 ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? [OT] evilninja
2004-04-30 13:34 ` Fwd: reiser4 non-free? MJ Ray
2004-05-03 14:24 ` Claus Färber
2004-05-04 9:56 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-10 18:15 ` Branden Robinson
2004-04-30 12:20 ` Walter Landry
2004-04-30 14:55 ` Narcoleptic Electron
2004-04-30 8:34 ` Fwd: " Stewart Smith
2004-04-30 18:15 ` Steve Langasek
2004-05-02 18:51 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 16:26 ` Michael Milverton
2004-04-30 16:56 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-01 5:02 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-02 19:12 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 21:03 ` Stefan Traby
2004-04-30 16:56 ` MJ Ray
2004-04-30 17:13 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-02 19:42 ` MJ Ray
2004-05-02 19:55 ` Hans Reiser
2004-04-30 17:23 ` Jason Stubbs
2004-04-30 22:39 ` David Masover
2004-05-03 22:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-04 2:07 ` David Masover
2004-05-02 17:03 ` Hans Reiser
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-03 17:41 Burnes, James
2004-05-03 17:45 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-03 18:38 ` Martin List-Petersen
[not found] <A69517E67905B6429D57AA9EB6C86E6855266A@haynesmail.haynes-group.com>
2004-05-03 20:16 ` Tim Donahue
2004-05-04 19:18 Burnes, James
2004-05-05 3:11 ` Michael Milverton
2004-05-05 20:10 ` mjt
2004-05-07 15:51 Dawson, Larry
2004-05-07 16:26 ` Hans Reiser
2004-05-07 16:40 Dawson, Larry
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