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From: Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, Linas Vepstas <linas@austin.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	long <tlnguyen@snoqualmie.dp.intel.com>,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	linuxppc64-dev <linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] IOCHK interface for I/O error handling/detecting
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:32:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42A96C25.9050903@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050609173433.GE24611@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 09:39:11PM +0900, Hidetoshi Seto wrote:
> 
>>Reflecting every comments, I brushed up my patch for generic part.
>>So today I'll post it again, and also post "ia64 part", which
>>surely implements ia64-arch specific error checking. I think
>>latter will be a sample of basic implement for other arch.
> 
> I think this is the wrong way to go about it.  For PCI Express, we
> have a defined cross-architecture standard which tells us exactly how
> all future PCIe devices will behave in the face of errors.  For PCI and
> PCI-X, we have a lot of legacy systems, each of which implements error
> checking and recovery in a somewhat eclectic way.
> 
> So, IMO, any implementation of PCI error recovery should start by
> implementing the PCI Express AER mechanisms and then each architecture can
> look at extending that scheme to fit their own legacy hardware systems.
> That way we have a clean implementation for the future rather than being
> tied to any one manufacturer or architecture's quirks.
> 
> Also, we can evaluate it based on looking at what the standard says,
> rather than all trying to wrap our brains around the idiosyncracies of
> a given platform ;-)

All right, please take it a example of approach from legacy-side.

Already there are good working group, includes Linas, BenH, and Long.
They are also implementing some PCI error recovery codes (currently
setting home to ppc64), and I know their wonderful works are more PCI
Express friendly than my mysterious ia64 works :-)

However, I also know that it doesn't mean my works were useless.
Since there is a notable difference between their asynchronous error
recovery and my synchronous error detecting, both could live in
coexistence with each other.

How cooperate with is interesting coming agenda, I think.

Thanks,
H.Seto


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From: Hidetoshi Seto <seto.hidetoshi@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Cc: Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, Linas Vepstas <linas@austin.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	long <tlnguyen@snoqualmie.dp.intel.com>,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	linuxppc64-dev <linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] IOCHK interface for I/O error handling/detecting
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:32:05 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42A96C25.9050903@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050609173433.GE24611@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 09:39:11PM +0900, Hidetoshi Seto wrote:
> 
>>Reflecting every comments, I brushed up my patch for generic part.
>>So today I'll post it again, and also post "ia64 part", which
>>surely implements ia64-arch specific error checking. I think
>>latter will be a sample of basic implement for other arch.
> 
> I think this is the wrong way to go about it.  For PCI Express, we
> have a defined cross-architecture standard which tells us exactly how
> all future PCIe devices will behave in the face of errors.  For PCI and
> PCI-X, we have a lot of legacy systems, each of which implements error
> checking and recovery in a somewhat eclectic way.
> 
> So, IMO, any implementation of PCI error recovery should start by
> implementing the PCI Express AER mechanisms and then each architecture can
> look at extending that scheme to fit their own legacy hardware systems.
> That way we have a clean implementation for the future rather than being
> tied to any one manufacturer or architecture's quirks.
> 
> Also, we can evaluate it based on looking at what the standard says,
> rather than all trying to wrap our brains around the idiosyncracies of
> a given platform ;-)

All right, please take it a example of approach from legacy-side.

Already there are good working group, includes Linas, BenH, and Long.
They are also implementing some PCI error recovery codes (currently
setting home to ppc64), and I know their wonderful works are more PCI
Express friendly than my mysterious ia64 works :-)

However, I also know that it doesn't mean my works were useless.
Since there is a notable difference between their asynchronous error
recovery and my synchronous error detecting, both could live in
coexistence with each other.

How cooperate with is interesting coming agenda, I think.

Thanks,
H.Seto


  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-10 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-09 12:39 [PATCH 00/10] IOCHK interface for I/O error handling/detecting Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:39 ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:48 ` [PATCH 01/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:48   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 16:53   ` Greg KH
2005-06-09 16:53     ` Greg KH
2005-06-10 10:29     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 10:29       ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:50 ` [PATCH 02/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:50   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:51 ` [PATCH 03/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:51   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 16:57   ` Greg KH
2005-06-09 16:57     ` Greg KH
2005-06-10 10:31     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 10:31       ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 17:20   ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-06-09 17:20     ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-06-10 10:31     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 10:31       ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:53 ` [PATCH 04/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:53   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 16:57   ` Greg KH
2005-06-09 16:57     ` Greg KH
2005-06-09 12:54 ` [PATCH 05/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:54   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:56 ` [PATCH 06/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:56   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:58 ` [PATCH 07/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 12:58   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 17:40   ` David Mosberger
2005-06-09 17:40     ` David Mosberger
2005-06-10 10:29     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 10:29       ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 17:25       ` David Mosberger
2005-06-10 17:25         ` David Mosberger
2005-06-13  6:54         ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-13  6:54           ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 13:00 ` [PATCH 08/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 13:00   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 13:02 ` [PATCH 09/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 13:02   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 13:04 ` [PATCH 10/10] " Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 13:04   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 16:59 ` [PATCH 00/10] " Greg KH
2005-06-09 16:59   ` Greg KH
2005-06-09 17:13 ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-06-09 17:13   ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-06-09 22:26   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-06-09 22:26     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-06-10 10:31     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 10:31       ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 10:30   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 10:30     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-09 17:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-06-09 17:34   ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-06-10 10:32   ` Hidetoshi Seto [this message]
2005-06-10 10:32     ` Hidetoshi Seto
2005-06-10 23:25     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-06-10 23:25       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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