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From: "Matt W. Benjamin" <matt@linuxbox.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Dr Fields James Bruce <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net>,
	Mailing List Linux NFS <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Wheeler Ric <ricwheeler@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: XATTRs in NFS?
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 17:22:42 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <430357861.50.1382908962268.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5FC093E3-1CD3-4AC7-A91F-37C8DEC6BEFE@netapp.com>

Hi,

I was going for the point you make later in this thread:  "user xattrs are in
principle harmless."

The exposure policy for non-harmless xattrs issue is real enough, but my point was,
it seems to be a Linux policy issue, at the NFSv4 level just as it was at the syscall level.

The caching and atomicity issues seem like they actually are issues for NFSv4 discussion.
If the named attribute interface actually fails to cover xattrs, that's a big gaffe.

Matt


----- "Trond Myklebust" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com> wrote:

> On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Matt W. Benjamin <matt@linuxbox.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Surely you don't need NFSv4 to standardize the the (empty?) set of
> system or magic attributes Linux
> > should export?
> 
> The NFSv4 working group has no authority to do so. POSIX would be the
> right address.
> 
> > Besides, as you're well aware, most people who ask for xattrs are
> looking for an ability to associate
> > arbitrary specific data, not a back door ioctl interface.  That's
> clearly what the NFSv4 named attributes as standardized were intended
> for.
> 
> No. I'm not aware of that.
> 
> > I'm well aware of other uses and plans that someone would want to
> standardize, but it seems
> > irrelevant to the discussion.
> 
> It's very relevant to the discussion as it defines what namespace
> applications can expect to work.
> 
> Trond

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-10-27 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <432349691.14.1382795633967.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-26 14:01 ` XATTRs in NFS? Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-27 12:31   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 16:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-10-27 17:50       ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-27 18:07       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 18:30         ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-27 18:41           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 22:20             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:32               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  9:53         ` Hellwig Christoph
2013-10-27 21:22     ` Matt W. Benjamin [this message]
     [not found] <739187808.295.1382744200733.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-25 23:52 ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-26  5:18   ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-26 11:36     ` Matt W. Benjamin
     [not found] <155020130.44.1382627021008.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-24 15:05 ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-24 15:08   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:10     ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-23 20:37 Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24  8:45 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 14:13   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 14:32     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:07       ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-24 15:11         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:16           ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-24 15:23             ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-24 15:29               ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-24 15:53               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 16:10               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 15:27             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 16:01       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 16:30         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 17:22           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-25 14:08             ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-25 15:26               ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-25 15:32                 ` Chuck Lever
2013-10-26 18:00                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-26 13:20                 ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                   ` <OF01D9818B.36018C0F-ON88257C10.00608BC0-88257C10.006139C6@LocalDomain>
2013-10-26 17:46                     ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-27 12:48                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:14                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:19                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:23                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 13:25                         ` James Morris
2013-10-28 15:41                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-26 17:12               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-27 19:15                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-27 21:57                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:17                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:27                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:44                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  1:04                           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 15:40                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 16:15                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 17:49                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28 18:00                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 18:08                                   ` Dr Fields James Bruce
2013-10-28 18:31                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 20:44                                       ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-28 20:55                                         ` [nfsv4] " Haynes, Tom
2013-10-28 21:02                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-28 21:04                                             ` Chuck Lever
2013-10-28 21:28                                               ` Marc Eshel
     [not found]                                     ` <526EC3F7.3090601@gmail.com>
2013-10-29  0:22                                       ` Fwd: " Anand Avati
2013-10-29  0:39                                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  0:53                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:04                                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  0:49                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:00                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-29  1:26                                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:24                                               ` Anand Avati
2013-10-29  1:52                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  2:22                                                   ` Anand Avati
2013-10-29  1:39                                               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  2:28                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  4:27                                                   ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-28 21:34                                   ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-28 18:15                                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer

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