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From: "Matt W. Benjamin" <matt@linuxbox.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>,
	nfsv4 <nfsv4@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: XATTRs in NFS?
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 07:36:52 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <786887171.10.1382787412438.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131026051815.GA10048@fieldses.org>

Hi,

Thanks, Bruce.

----- "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
attributes, e.g., perhaps update
> atomicity.
> 
> Right, xattrs are expected to be small-ish and are set and queried
> atomically.  A server that implements named attributes using xattrs
> has
> to for example implement write as a read-modify-write of the
> attribute.

Ok, helpful.

> You normally only address xattrs by name, so I guess you'd have to
> stick
> a hash of the name in the filehandle.

That's how we're (re) implementing it for G.

> 
> We could probably get *something* working, but I don't know whether
> the
> semantics would be close enough to not break an application that was
> written to a named-attribute api.

I agree, there seems to be a missing piece.

> 
> Personally what I'd like to see is a really thorough description of a
> use case or two.  All I've ever heard is either "selinux", or some
> vague
> ideas about things people think might be cool to try.

I think the Christoph have made the best case that can be made, but I have
nothing more for the Linux debate.  I'd like to see us solve the design 
problems, though.

Matt

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-26 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <739187808.295.1382744200733.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-25 23:52 ` XATTRs in NFS? Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-26  5:18   ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-26 11:36     ` Matt W. Benjamin [this message]
     [not found] <432349691.14.1382795633967.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-26 14:01 ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-27 12:31   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 16:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-10-27 17:50       ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-27 18:07       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 18:30         ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-27 18:41           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 22:20             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:32               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  9:53         ` Hellwig Christoph
2013-10-27 21:22     ` Matt W. Benjamin
     [not found] <155020130.44.1382627021008.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-24 15:05 ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-24 15:08   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:10     ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-23 20:37 Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24  8:45 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 14:13   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 14:32     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:07       ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-24 15:11         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:16           ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-24 15:23             ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-24 15:29               ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-24 15:53               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 16:10               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 15:27             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 16:01       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 16:30         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 17:22           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-25 14:08             ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-25 15:26               ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-25 15:32                 ` Chuck Lever
2013-10-26 18:00                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-26 13:20                 ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                   ` <OF01D9818B.36018C0F-ON88257C10.00608BC0-88257C10.006139C6@LocalDomain>
2013-10-26 17:46                     ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-27 12:48                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:14                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:19                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:23                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 13:25                         ` James Morris
2013-10-28 15:41                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-26 17:12               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-27 19:15                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-27 21:57                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:17                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:27                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:44                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  1:04                           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 15:40                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 16:15                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 17:49                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28 18:00                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 18:08                                   ` Dr Fields James Bruce
2013-10-28 18:31                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 20:44                                       ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-28 20:55                                         ` [nfsv4] " Haynes, Tom
2013-10-28 21:02                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-28 21:04                                             ` Chuck Lever
2013-10-28 21:28                                               ` Marc Eshel
     [not found]                                     ` <526EC3F7.3090601@gmail.com>
2013-10-29  0:22                                       ` Fwd: " Anand Avati
2013-10-29  0:39                                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  0:53                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:04                                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  0:49                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:00                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-29  1:26                                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:24                                               ` Anand Avati
2013-10-29  1:52                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  2:22                                                   ` Anand Avati
2013-10-29  1:39                                               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  2:28                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  4:27                                                   ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-28 21:34                                   ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-28 18:15                                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer

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