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From: "Matt W. Benjamin" <matt@linuxbox.com>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Simo Sorce <simo@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: XATTRs in NFS?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:29:25 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2102567502.56.1382628565761.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131024112319.7ad9fd27@tlielax.poochiereds.net>

Hi,

It appears that there could be spec implications, but I have not so far been convinced that
nfsv4.x named attributes are not an appropriate vehicle for (some set of) extended attributes.

The fact that nfsv4.x named attributes are suitable to represent large objects, does not make
them unsuitable to represent key value properties.

Matt

----- "Jeff Layton" <jlayton@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:16:10 -0400
> Simo Sorce <simo@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 15:11 +0000, Myklebust, Trond wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 11:07 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Because the filesystem can do that when multiple applications
> are
> > > > involved without having to change them all to talk to each other
> and
> > > > invent custom protocol all the time just to keep some
> additional
> > > > metadata associated to a file..
> > > > 
> > > It's still a custom protocol. The applications need to agree on a
> data
> > > format and store it somewhere. The portable way to do this is to
> write
> > > an application library that they can link to.
> > 
> > Perhaps I was unclear, you are never going to see that custom
> library
> > linked into the 'mv' command.
> > 
> > So your approach makes little sense if the object is to maintain
> data
> > coherent when people need to handle files from random applications
> and
> > scripts and general system maintenance.
> > 
> > The data may be relevant only to a specific application.
> > 
> > I am not saying you *have* to implement xattrs support, just saying
> that
> > it is not a mere 'applications should synchronize data themselves'
> > problem.
> > 
> 
> I think the real solution if people need this is to lead an effort to
> put xattrs into the spec. I think there is still time to get new
> features into v4.3 if someone wants to champion it...
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
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  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-24 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-23 20:37 XATTRs in NFS? Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24  8:45 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 14:13   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 14:32     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:07       ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-24 15:11         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:16           ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-24 15:23             ` Jeff Layton
2013-10-24 15:29               ` Matt W. Benjamin [this message]
2013-10-24 15:53               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 16:10               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 15:27             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 16:01       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-24 16:30         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 17:22           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-25 14:08             ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-25 15:26               ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-25 15:32                 ` Chuck Lever
2013-10-26 18:00                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-26 13:20                 ` Myklebust, Trond
     [not found]                   ` <OF01D9818B.36018C0F-ON88257C10.00608BC0-88257C10.006139C6@LocalDomain>
2013-10-26 17:46                     ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-27 12:48                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:14                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:19                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:23                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 13:25                         ` James Morris
2013-10-28 15:41                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-26 17:12               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-27 19:15                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-27 21:57                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:17                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  0:27                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:44                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  1:04                           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 15:40                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 16:15                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28 17:49                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28 18:00                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 18:08                                   ` Dr Fields James Bruce
2013-10-28 18:31                                     ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-28 20:44                                       ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-28 20:49                                         ` [nfsv4] " Spencer Shepler
2013-10-28 20:55                                         ` Haynes, Tom
2013-10-28 21:02                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-28 21:04                                             ` Chuck Lever
2013-10-28 21:28                                               ` Marc Eshel
     [not found]                                               ` <OF3A48E6D9.7BB93CB0-ON88257C12.0075527E-88257C12.0075F065@LocalDomain>
2013-10-28 22:28                                                 ` XATTRs in NFS Marc Eshel
2013-10-28 22:41                                                   ` Marc Eshel
     [not found]                                                     ` <5272742D.7000905@redhat.com>
2013-10-31 20:54                                                       ` Anand Avati
2013-10-31 21:36                                                         ` [nfsv4] " Nico Williams
2013-10-28 23:02                                                   ` Nico Williams
2013-10-28 21:28                                             ` [nfsv4] XATTRs in NFS? Marc Eshel
     [not found]                                     ` <526EC3F7.3090601@gmail.com>
2013-10-29  0:22                                       ` Fwd: " Anand Avati
2013-10-29  0:39                                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  0:53                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:04                                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  0:49                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:00                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-10-29  1:26                                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  1:24                                               ` Anand Avati
2013-10-29  1:52                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  2:22                                                   ` Anand Avati
2013-10-29  1:39                                               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-29  2:28                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-29  4:27                                                   ` Marc Eshel
2013-10-28 21:34                                   ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-28 18:15                                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
     [not found] <155020130.44.1382627021008.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-24 15:05 ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-24 15:08   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-24 15:10     ` Matt W. Benjamin
     [not found] <739187808.295.1382744200733.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-25 23:52 ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-26  5:18   ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-26 11:36     ` Matt W. Benjamin
     [not found] <432349691.14.1382795633967.JavaMail.root@thunderbeast.private.linuxbox.com>
2013-10-26 14:01 ` Matt W. Benjamin
2013-10-27 12:31   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 16:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-10-27 17:50       ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-27 18:07       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 18:30         ` Simo Sorce
2013-10-27 18:41           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-27 22:20             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2013-10-28  0:32               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-28  9:53         ` Hellwig Christoph
2013-10-27 21:22     ` Matt W. Benjamin

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