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From: David Masover <ninja@slaphack.com>
To: Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
Cc: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	vs@namesys.com, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: journal size reiserfs vs reiser4
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:03:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43173463.40302@slaphack.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <431726F2.1090508@redhat.com>

Peter Staubach wrote:
> Hans Reiser wrote:
> 
>> Research for filesystems generally says that as you get more than 85%
>> full the performance goes down, by a lot as you get close to 100%.  5%
>> is probably too little rather than too much.
>>  
>>
> 
> Wow.  What is all that space used for?  Other journalling file systems that
> I have seen have limited things like journals to a much smaller space,

I thought that it wasn't just for the journal, but rather, for the 
journal, metadata, and to make things saner when you fill up your drive.

Because of lazy allocation and the way things are packed, for a given 
write on an almost-full disk, the FS doesn't know at the time your 
write(2) call returns whether or not it succeeded or ran out of space. 
So, you want to have somewhat more space available than you have RAM.

But, like the decision to keep bitmaps locked in RAM, it seems very much 
overkill, and should definitely be tunable, at least.  Terabytes aren't 
just for the enterprise anymore.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-01 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-01 11:46 journal size reiserfs vs reiser4 Thomas Kuther
2005-09-01 12:48 ` Thomas Kuther
2005-09-01 12:53   ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-01 13:03     ` PFC
2005-09-01 13:12       ` Thomas Kuther
2005-09-01 13:05     ` Thomas Kuther
2005-09-01 13:07       ` Peter Staubach
2005-09-01 13:37         ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-01 15:25         ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-01 16:06           ` Peter Staubach
2005-09-01 16:23             ` Marcel Hilzinger
2005-09-01 17:03             ` David Masover [this message]
2005-09-01 17:27               ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-01 17:36                 ` Peter Staubach
2005-09-01 17:59                   ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-01 18:14                     ` Peter Staubach
2005-09-01 22:17             ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-02  2:28             ` michael chang
2005-09-02  6:34               ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-02  7:19                 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-02  7:39                   ` PFC
2005-09-02 16:02                     ` michael chang
2005-09-02 17:37                   ` Łukasz Mierzwa
2005-09-02 18:08                     ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-09-02 21:29                   ` Matt Stegman
2005-09-04  1:04                     ` michael chang
2005-09-04  2:38                       ` David Masover
2005-09-04  3:48                         ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-04  9:29                           ` Clemens Eisserer
2005-09-04 16:42                             ` David Masover
2005-09-05 12:16                               ` michael chang
2005-09-05 18:20                                 ` David Masover
2005-09-05 21:24                                   ` michael chang
2005-09-06 13:59                           ` Tom Vier
2005-09-06 20:32                             ` michael chang
2005-09-06 20:45                               ` David Masover
2005-09-06 20:47                                 ` michael chang
2005-09-06 21:03                                   ` David Masover
2005-09-06 23:10                               ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-07  2:48                                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2005-09-07 23:58                                   ` reiser4 merge status Hans Reiser
2005-09-08  0:08                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-06 20:36                             ` journal size reiserfs vs reiser4 Gregory Maxwell
2005-09-06 20:41                               ` michael chang
2005-09-07 14:01                               ` Tom Vier
2005-09-07 20:18                                 ` michael chang
2005-09-05 12:14                       ` michael chang
2005-09-03 10:08           ` Sander
2005-09-03 11:34             ` Pierre Etchemaïté
2005-09-04  0:15             ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-01 13:13       ` Marcel Hilzinger
2005-09-01 13:15         ` Thomas Kuther
2005-09-01 14:08           ` michael chang
2005-09-01 13:13       ` Lexington Luthor
2005-09-01 13:28         ` Thomas Kuther

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