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From: Ivan Gyurdiev <ivg2@cornell.edu>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: Joshua Brindle <jbrindle@tresys.com>,
	SELinux List <SELinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: [ SEPOL ] Move more things to newer debug system
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:05:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <432EC5BD.2090203@cornell.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1127134177.29404.31.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>

Stephen Smalley wrote:

>On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 23:52 -0400, Ivan Gyurdiev wrote:
>  
>
>>I'm not sure we need both a filtering mechanism, and two systems - one 
>>for debugging and one for error reporting.  That looks like redundancy 
>>to me. I think we need to choose one debug system, add a filtering 
>>mechanism to it, and convert everything to use it. The filtering 
>>mechanism would then determine what's done with the different types of 
>>messages (which are not too clear at the moment).
>>    
>>
>
>I viewed it more as:
>- drop the notion of level/priority since you explained how you can't
>truly classify the different DEBUG messages into those categorizations,
>  
>
I was saying that I'm not convinced you can consider the lowest-level 
message of type ERROR, and the ones above it in the call chain of type 
DEBUG. A different classification system might work, however... the 
level argument could be useful.

>- don't clutter a single interface trying to support both variants, just
>keep them as separate interfaces,
>  
>
We could easily move the level argument into the function name (support 
WARN(), ERROR()), etc.

>- recognize that both DEBUG and write_error are doing error reporting,
>but with differing feedback mechanisms (global callback vs. per-call
>error buffering) and with differing levels of detail.
>  
>
This is the important part - do we want to keep both feedback 
mechanisms, or not.
If the former, then yes - we should keep both write_error and DEBUG. 
However, I think
that's not necessary, because if we implement callbacks, and add a state 
object to pass to
the callbacks, the user of libsepol/libsemanage can design any error 
system they feel like,
which is more flexible than making that choice in the library.

Regarding the differing levels of detail - the callback can make that 
decision if we provide it
with the level of  message (error/debug..etc).

>I expected to use DEBUG() pervasively as the default mechanism, and only
>selectively insert write_error calls (and extend interfaces to take the
>buffers) as needed to support the specific needs of the policy
>management daemon.  Policy management daemon would then disable the
>DEBUG output or redirect it to a log file and only feed the buffered
>error messages back to the client.
>  
>
If we design the debug system properly, we can handle any usage pattern, 
including this one.


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  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-19 14:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-12 12:06 [ SEMANAGE ] Stub out user/port functionality Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-12 14:14 ` [ SEMANAGE ] Introduce record table Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-13  3:55   ` [ SEPOL ] Move more things to newer debug system Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-13 19:59     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-13 22:26       ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-13 23:03         ` Joshua Brindle
2005-09-14  3:33           ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-14  3:37             ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-14 13:16               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 14:05                 ` Dale Amon
2005-09-14 18:07                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 23:44                     ` Dale Amon
2005-09-14  7:00             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-09-14 12:11               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14  7:01             ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-09-14 13:00             ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 13:21               ` Joshua Brindle
2005-09-14 13:51                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 14:45                   ` Joshua Brindle
2005-09-14 15:04                     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 15:26                       ` info on SELinux support for IPSEC Prakash Saivasan
2005-09-14 18:20                         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 15:33                       ` [ SEPOL ] Move more things to newer debug system Joshua Brindle
2005-09-14 15:38                         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 16:06                           ` Joshua Brindle
2005-09-14 16:24                             ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 17:16                               ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-14 17:21                                 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-14 18:53                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-16 13:48                                 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-09-14 19:37                             ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-14 19:50                               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 20:01                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 20:32                                 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-15  7:31                                   ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-15 12:22                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-15 13:01                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-15 15:17                               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-15 16:03                                 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-16 12:19                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-18  3:14                                     ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-16 13:45                               ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-09-16 13:55                           ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-09-18  3:16                           ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-18  3:52                             ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-18 15:45                               ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-19 12:49                               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-19 14:05                                 ` Ivan Gyurdiev [this message]
2005-09-19 14:45                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-19 16:24                                     ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-19 16:49                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-19 17:16                                         ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-19 18:26                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 19:57                     ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-14 12:35         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 15:51     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-13 19:43   ` [ SEMANAGE ] Introduce record table Stephen Smalley
2005-09-13 22:15     ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-13 22:46       ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-09-14 15:46   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-09-14 15:45 ` [ SEMANAGE ] Stub out user/port functionality Stephen Smalley

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