Hans Reiser arrested...

Hans Reiser arrested...

[Christopher Chan]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL

posted on Slashdot.

I hope reiser4 development still continues despite this...

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Giovanni A. Orlando]

Hi,

    This morning I get this bad news.
 
    I beleive that this is a moment when Hans need help. So, if someone 
is close to San Francisco
    and Bay area, I think is a good move, visit him and ask him for 
help, money, food, etc.

    Just some words are a great help.

    About the trouble, at first is not my problem, but like an immigrant 
generally when people
    are in troubles, back to the most stable place. I simply think that 
Hans's wife back to
    Russia, for troubles. Troubles that are personal between them, like 
a family, and is not
    our business.

    Again, locate Hans and offer comfort and a path to leave this situation.

Thanks,
Giovanni.

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Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz]

sure, it is opensource after all :)

Question is, if it is going to be community effort ?
I guess guys in .ru and area are getting paid for it, so what's now ?


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Re: Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz]

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_4470810


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Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Sander Sweers]

On 10/11/06, Christopher Chan <chrisfz@netvigator.com> wrote:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL
>
> posted on Slashdot.
>
> I hope reiser4 development still continues despite this...

I would instead hope Nina is found and both can be reunited with their
kids. The question if reiser4 will continue is IMHO a bit insensitive
when compared to the situation they are in.

Sander

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Giovanni A. Orlando]

Toby Thain escribió:
>
> On 11-Oct-06, at 5:31 AM, Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>    This morning I get this bad news. ...
>>
>>    Again, locate Hans and offer comfort and a path to leave this 
>> situation.
>
> He's in custody of the police; apparently even his lawyer can't see him.
Thanks Toby.

If this is the case we can simply pray for him that the true come up 
(wherever is) and the matter get solved softly
and in peace.

Thanks,
Giovanni.
>
> --T
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Giovanni.
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Dominic]

Amen to that.

"I hope reiser4 development still continues despite this..." is a pretty 
stupid thing to say.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sander Sweers" <sander.sweers@gmail.com>
To: "Christopher Chan" <chrisfz@netvigator.com>
Cc: <reiserfs-list@namesys.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Hans Reiser arrested...


> On 10/11/06, Christopher Chan <chrisfz@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL
>>
>> posted on Slashdot.
>>
>> I hope reiser4 development still continues despite this...
>
> I would instead hope Nina is found and both can be reunited with their
> kids. The question if reiser4 will continue is IMHO a bit insensitive
> when compared to the situation they are in.
>
> Sander 

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Christopher Chan]

Sander Sweers wrote:
> On 10/11/06, Christopher Chan <chrisfz@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL
>>
>> posted on Slashdot.
>>
>> I hope reiser4 development still continues despite this...
> 
> I would instead hope Nina is found and both can be reunited with their
> kids. The question if reiser4 will continue is IMHO a bit insensitive
> when compared to the situation they are in.

Yes, I must apologize for that to Hans and everybody else. Amazing how 
disconnected one can become. I must say that it has been kind of you to 
only term me as a bit insensitive.

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Toby Thain]

On 11-Oct-06, at 5:31 AM, Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:

> Hi,
>
>    This morning I get this bad news. ...
>
>    Again, locate Hans and offer comfort and a path to leave this  
> situation.

He's in custody of the police; apparently even his lawyer can't see him.

--T

>
> Thanks,
> Giovanni.
>
> -- 
>
> Future Technologies E-Learning, Linux, OpenSource Projects,
> ... Operating Systems, Web 2.0 and more!!!
>
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> for addresses.
>
>
>

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Sander Sweers]

Tracy R Reed wrote:
> Sander Sweers wrote:
>> I would instead hope Nina is found and both can be reunited with their
>> kids. The question if reiser4 will continue is IMHO a bit insensitive
>> when compared to the situation they are in.
> 
> I understand your temptation to take this position and engage in a 
> competition of "who can be the most sensitive" and accuse anyone who 
> actually talks about software of insensitivity but most of us have 
> businesses to run and we depend on reiserfs. We can't do anything about 
> Hans or Nina. 

Not a competition and I only wanted to bring up the human aspect of the 
situation. And it was also not meant as an accusations. I understand 
this may have sounded like it was but it was not. So sorry Christopher 
if I made you feel I was accusing you.

Please continue the technical discussion but as David said: "I want to 
hear from Hans.  We can leave the gossiping to Slashdot; I'd rather not 
talk behind his back, or try to guess what he wants."

> We can do something about his legacy which is the software 
> and I think that is exactly what we should be doing in a time like this. 
> I don't want to see all of his hard and brilliant work go for nothing. 
> Without money I doubt we can count on the guys from Russia for anything. 

Sorry but did he die or get convicted? No but people are a 1000 steps 
ahead of the current situation.So before speaking about his legacy 
and/or how to continue, let things take it's course and see where it leads.

> Is there anyone else intimately familiar with the codebase who could 
> take reiser4 the rest of the way to the finish line? Let's not let this 
> turn into an example to be used by the proprietary software people 
> pointing to the dangers of FOSS which is surely what will happen if 
> reiserfs is somehow left to stagnate. 

It would actually be a good example in favor of FOSS. Proprietary 
software usually disappear with the company, FOSS does not. But this is 
totally off-topic.

> I hope this is all a 
> misunderstanding and she turns up and Hans continues to develop reiserfs 
> for many years to come. But it would be irresponsible not to initiate a 
> contingency plan. We can be sure that places that rely on reiserfs such 
> as SuSe are already doing so. We are software people, not lawyers, so 
> let's have a conversation about the software.

We are human being first (and not claiming other people are not !) and 
*my* first thought is with Hans, Nina and especially with their kids. As 
they will get the biggest hit from the whole situation regardless of 
what happens next. I feel it is inappropriate to talk about these things 
while nothing is certain yet.IF and only IF it turns out badly in the 
end a discussion can be started about what will happen with reiser4. 
Until then this subject should not be discussed IMHO.

I tried to be very mild and objective in my response and if it was not, 
my apologies.

Best
Sander

PS: I will not debate this any further. I have made clear how I feel 
about this and what my opinion is.

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Tom Vier]

On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 10:02:34PM +0200, Sander Sweers wrote:
> Please continue the technical discussion but as David said: "I want to 
> hear from Hans.  We can leave the gossiping to Slashdot; I'd rather not 
> talk behind his back, or try to guess what he wants."

Hans would be wise not to discuss anything about this case with anyone
other than his lawyer. Especially not publicly.

Divorces are messy and the media often gets things wrong. Who knows
what's true.

-- 
Tom Vier <tmv@comcast.net>
DSA Key ID 0x15741ECE

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Christopher Sawtell]

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 22:31, Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> Again, locate Hans and offer comfort and a path to leave this situation.
It would seem that the establishment of a legal defence fund is going to be 
needed, irrespective of Hans' guilt or innocence.

--
Christopher Sawtell.

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Amarendra Godbole]

On 10/11/06, Christopher Chan <chrisfz@netvigator.com> wrote:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL
>
> posted on Slashdot.
>
> I hope reiser4 development still continues despite this...

[...]

Let's not jump to conclusions', and wait and see as to how the things
shape up. People first, and technology later - I sincerely wish that
the Reiser family comes out of these bad times pretty soon.

Best,
Amarendra

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Giovanni A. Orlando]

Christopher Sawtell escribió:
> On Wednesday 11 October 2006 22:31, Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>   
>> Again, locate Hans and offer comfort and a path to leave this situation.
>>     
> It would seem that the establishment of a legal defence fund is going to be 
> needed, irrespective of Hans' guilt or innocence.
>   
I agree!

I propose to setup a PayPal account handled by someone close to Hans 
Reiser in Bay Area, like a friend,
or directly by him attorney.

Thanks,
Giovanni.
> --
> Christopher Sawtell.
>
>
>   


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Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Valdis.Kletnieks]

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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:32:22 EDT, Toby Thain said:

> He's in custody of the police; apparently even his lawyer can't see him.

"Even his lawyer can't see him" is the sort of thing that only happens
in 3rd world countries with shaky grasp on human rights.

Of course, this *is* the US, so maybe in fact Hans isn't being allowed
to see his lawyer....

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Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Toby Thain]

On 12-Oct-06, at 10:38 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:32:22 EDT, Toby Thain said:
>
>> He's in custody of the police; apparently even his lawyer can't  
>> see him.
>
> "Even his lawyer can't see him" is the sort of thing that only happens
> in 3rd world countries with shaky grasp on human rights.
>
> Of course, this *is* the US, so maybe in fact Hans isn't being allowed
> to see his lawyer....

I'm told this is not particularly unusual in California (!!)

--T

Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Lex Lyamin]

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I will try to reach his mother and ask what can be done there.
At this moment there is

$25 Gets You
an Answer <http://www.namesys.com/support.html>

at our webpage, but i'm not sure at this moment if its a good idea to use
this
since Hans most likely cant manage this account, being under arrest.

Thanks guys.


On 10/12/06, Giovanni A. Orlando <gorlando@futuretg.com> wrote:
>
> Christopher Sawtell escribió:
> > On Wednesday 11 October 2006 22:31, Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
> >
> >> Again, locate Hans and offer comfort and a path to leave this
> situation.
> >>
> > It would seem that the establishment of a legal defence fund is going to
> be
> > needed, irrespective of Hans' guilt or innocence.
> >
> I agree!
>
> I propose to setup a PayPal account handled by someone close to Hans
> Reiser in Bay Area, like a friend,
> or directly by him attorney.
>
> Thanks,
> Giovanni.
> > --
> > Christopher Sawtell.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
>


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Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[aba cus]

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Let's try to help in a practical way. It would be important to try to
find out (ideally from Hans, or someone who has spoken to him recently
or close to him) what help he needs. The people who may know most about
the situation are probably his parents, but I am not sure that we can
disturb them, they must have other worries than to talk to us. Has
anyone from Namesys or anyone on this list spoken to them recently? It
is probably best if only one person tries to get in touch. All we
should try to find out if there is anything we can try to help with.
(Probably no other information should be made public anyway.)



Toby Thain wrote:

> He's in custody of the police; apparently even his lawyer can't see him.



Has anyone actually checked that this is in fact true.

According to news reports, Hans is held in Santa Rita Jail in Dublin.

http://alamedacountysheriff.org/DC/jail_info.htm

Could someone try to find out for certain?





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Re: Hans Reiser arrested...

[Giovanni A. Orlando]

Lex Lyamin wrote:

Hi all,

    I propose that someone in Bay Area call the attorney and interact 
with him,
    or he directly send an email to this mailing list, and we depending 
on our
    possibilities send with Paypal ... some money and contrib.

Thanks,
Giovanni.
>
> I will try to reach his mother and ask what can be done there.
> At this moment there is
>
> $25 Gets You
> an Answer <http://www.namesys.com/support.html>
>
> at our webpage, but i'm not sure at this moment if its a good idea to 
> use this
> since Hans most likely cant manage this account, being under arrest.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
>
> On 10/12/06, *Giovanni A. Orlando* <gorlando@futuretg.com 
> <mailto:gorlando@futuretg.com>> wrote:
>
>     Christopher Sawtell escribió:
>     > On Wednesday 11 October 2006 22:31, Giovanni A. Orlando wrote:
>     >
>     >> Again, locate Hans and offer comfort and a path to leave this
>     situation.
>     >>
>     > It would seem that the establishment of a legal defence fund is
>     going to be
>     > needed, irrespective of Hans' guilt or innocence.
>     >
>     I agree!
>
>     I propose to setup a PayPal account handled by someone close to Hans
>     Reiser in Bay Area, like a friend,
>     or directly by him attorney.
>
>     Thanks,
>     Giovanni.
>     > --
>     > Christopher Sawtell.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>     --
>
>     Future Technologies
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>     for addresses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> liberation loophole will make it clear 


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Copy of message to William du Bois.

[Christopher Sawtell]

Greetings,

FYI, I have just e-mailed William du Bois - Hans's attorney via his web <-> 
email bridge at
http://www.trabackdubois.com/Bio/WilliamDuBois.asp
thusly:-

====

I am a user of Hans Reiser's latest software, and am therefore concerned for 
and about him as a fellow human being in his current circumstances.

I'd just like to ask a few questions, and would be very grateful if you would 
be so kind as to tell me:

1) Is there a need for the establishment of a legal defence fund?

2) Can I take it that the delay between his arrest and the date set for him to 
plead is an indication that a serious professional effort is being made to 
ensure that he is in fact psychiatrically fit to plead?

I ask this question simply because some of his public writings would indicate 
that at times the state of Hans's mind hovers directly over  the line which 
separates true genius from insanity.

3) I'm not American so I would like to know if capital punishment still used 
in California?

4) Is Hans currently able to receive postal mail or e-mail? If so what is his 
address please?

5) Is he in need of any small items for his physical comfort?
 
If you would care to tell all Hans's user and development community what the 
situation is then an e-mail to:- 
reiserfs-list@namesys.com
which I believe is still working, would get to us all.

In any case I would be grateful for a reply to my own address:-
csawtell@paradise.net.nz

Many thanks.

ps Please would you be kind enough - with appropriate subtlety - to let all 
the various law enforcement people concerned know that what they are doing is 
being watched carefully by people all over the world.

--
Sincerely etc.,
Christopher Sawtell