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From: Darrel Goeddel <DGoeddel@TrustedCS.com>
To: Joe Nall <joe@nall.com>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Paul Moore <paul.moore@hp.com>, SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com, Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] Static/fallback external labels for NetLabel
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:18:28 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46BB84A4.8090804@trustedcs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0686AF70-E657-439B-9E65-CC49ABC2E226@nall.com>

Joe Nall wrote:
> On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Darrel Goeddel wrote:
>>> getpeercon() returned 'user_u:object_r:user_t:C O N F I D E N T I  
>>> A L'
>>>
>>> for a connection from 10.211.55.8.
>>>
>>> This is a big improvement in linux labeled networking functionality.
>> As described in an earlier email, from my not-yet-full grasp on the  
>> patch,
>> this is a vulnerability waiting to happen in the event of using  
>> netlabel
>> fallback contexts alongside labeled ipsec.
> 
> Which would be a configuration error. There are lots of dangerous but  
> useful tools (rm, dd). I have ipsec and netlabel configured. I'll try  
> crossing the streams and see if we get total protonic reversal.

If netlabel and labeled ipsec are mutually exclusive, then the idea of
implementing the fallback contexts in netlabel is only helping one specific
use case and muddying the waters for a comprehensive solution in the future.
I think it is is a novel idea but not suitable for upstream inclusion on
those grounds.  If there were no conflicts with other existing labeling
mechanisms, I'd be all for it.

It also seems to be internally defining and external label, which seems to
be against the rules ;)

>>  That is not an improvement.
> 
> We will have to disagree. It is a big improvement in functionality.  
> It may not be the final approach, but it is the only one I can  
> evaluate today.

Agreed.  If the "fallback" context wouldn't actually replace a real peer
context supplied by the peer itself, this would be useful.  I'm sure it
can be made to operate this way if this patch set would be deemed the
way-to-go in the end.

-- 

Darrel

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-09 21:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-07 14:14 [RFC 0/5] Static/fallback external labels for NetLabel Paul Moore
2007-08-07 14:14 ` [RFC 1/5] SELinux: add secctx_to_secid() LSM hook Paul Moore
2007-08-07 14:14 ` [RFC 2/5] NetLabel: Add secid token support to the NetLabel secattr struct Paul Moore
2007-08-07 14:14 ` [RFC 3/5] NetLabel: add IP address family information to the netlbl_skbuff_getattr() function Paul Moore
2007-08-07 14:14 ` [RFC 4/5] NetLabel: introduce static network labels for unlabeled connections Paul Moore
2007-08-07 14:14 ` [RFC 5/5] NetLabel: add auditing to the static labeling mechanism Paul Moore
2007-08-09 10:57 ` [RFC 0/5] Static/fallback external labels for NetLabel KaiGai Kohei
2007-08-09 11:48   ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 12:42 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-09 13:29   ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 13:54     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-09 14:48       ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 15:49         ` James Morris
2007-08-09 16:01         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-09 22:35           ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 13:59     ` James Morris
2007-08-09 14:50       ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 15:13         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-09 14:41     ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-09 14:57       ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 15:07         ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-09 15:32     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-08-09 15:39       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-09 16:16         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-08-09 14:09   ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-09 14:24     ` James Morris
2007-08-09 16:42       ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-09 19:20         ` Joe Nall
2007-08-09 19:47           ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-09 20:12             ` Joe Nall
2007-08-09 21:15               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-09 21:18               ` Darrel Goeddel [this message]
2007-08-09 22:48                 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 20:17             ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 14:53     ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 16:08       ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-09 22:55       ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-10 16:49         ` James Morris
2007-08-14 14:47           ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-15  4:24             ` James Morris
2007-08-15 22:35               ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-16 15:04                 ` James Morris
2007-08-24 16:31                   ` Paul Moore
2007-08-24 18:34                     ` James Morris
2007-08-24 19:02                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-08-24 19:49                       ` Paul Moore
2007-08-24 20:17                         ` James Morris
2007-08-24 20:24                           ` Paul Moore
2007-08-24 20:47                             ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-24 20:42                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-08-24 21:10                           ` Paul Moore
2007-08-24 21:37                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-08-24 20:29                       ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-28 14:03                     ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-28 15:16                       ` Paul Moore
2007-08-09 15:48 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-08-09 19:38   ` Paul Moore
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-24 17:37 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-25 21:01 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-24 18:11 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-27 12:44 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-27 14:37 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-27 12:57 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-27 12:59 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-27 13:02 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-27 13:48 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-27 22:09 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-28 14:51 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 14:58 ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-28 15:12   ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-28 15:51   ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 16:18     ` Joe Nall
2007-08-28 18:51       ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 19:10         ` Joe Nall
2007-08-28 19:08           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-28 19:48           ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-28 22:26             ` Joe Nall
2007-08-29  0:16               ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-29  3:45                 ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-29  4:11                   ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-29  4:49                     ` Joe Nall
2007-08-29 14:04                       ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-29 15:50                         ` Joe Nall
2007-08-29 16:31                           ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-29 12:21                     ` Paul Moore
2007-08-29 14:26                       ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-29 14:56                         ` Paul Moore
2007-08-29 15:08                           ` Joshua Brindle
2007-08-29 16:55                             ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 17:23     ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-28 19:07       ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 16:13 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-28 16:32 ` Joe Nall
2007-08-28 19:08 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 16:30 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-28 17:39 ` Darrel Goeddel
2007-08-28 19:36   ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 19:26 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-28 18:02 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-28 19:47 ` Paul Moore
2007-08-29 15:07 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-29 15:29 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-29 15:45 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-08-29 16:15 Venkat Yekkirala
2007-08-29 16:41 ` Paul Moore

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