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From: Laurent Vivier <Laurent.Vivier@bull.net>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:41:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46C06D99.2030106@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46C06AFE.2050702@qumranet.com>

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Avi Kivity wrote:
> Laurent Vivier wrote:
>> Christian Borntraeger wrote:
>>  
>>> Am Freitag, 10. August 2007 schrieb Laurent Vivier:
>>>    
>>>> The aim of these two patches is to measure the CPU time used by a
>>>> virtual
>>>> machine. All comments are welcome... I'm not sure it's the good way
>>>> to do       
>>> that.
>>>
>>> I did something similar for or s390guest prototype, that Carsten
>>> posted in May.  I decided to account guest time to the user process
>>> instead of adding a new field to avoid hazzle with old top. As you
>>> can read in the patch comment, I personally prefer a new field if we
>>> can get one.
>>>
>>> My implementation uses a similar mechanism like hard and softirq. So
>>> I have an sie_enter an sie_exit and a task_is_in_sie function - like
>>> irq_enter and irq_exit. The main difference is based on the fact,
>>> that s390 has precise accouting for irq, steal, user and system time,
>>> and therefore my patch is based on architecture specifc code using
>>> CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNT.
>>> In general my patch has the same idea as your patch, so I am going to
>>> review your patch and see if it would fit for s390.
>>>
>>> For reference this is the (never posted) old patch for our
>>> virtualisation prototype. It wont work with kvm but it gives you the
>>> idea what we had in mind on s390.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> thank you for your comment.
>>
>> As virtualization becomes very popular, perhaps we should implement
>> something
>> which could be used by all linux supported architectures ?
>> (yes, I know it's non-sense for archs like m68k...)
>> But my [PATCH 1/2] can be a good start (adding "guest" in cpustat)
>> As guest accounting is hw dependent, I think we should add a hook in the
>> accounting functions.
>>   
> 
> Isn't PF_VM exactly such a hook?  All the hypervisor needs to do is to
> set/unset it correctly?

In fact, no.

PF_VM is used to know we have entered a virtual CPU (the hypervisor set it, the
scheduler unset it on accounting)

I mean a hook in account_system_time() to call a function arch-dependent to
compute the guest time (and modify the system/user time accordingly) if needed.

If fact what I find annoying in my patch is it adds to guest time and user time
some system time. Perhaps you could have a look to the second patch I sent.

Regards,
Laurent
-- 
------------- Laurent.Vivier@bull.net  --------------
          "Software is hard" - Donald Knuth


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From: Laurent Vivier <Laurent.Vivier-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Christian Borntraeger
	<borntraeger-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:41:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46C06D99.2030106@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46C06AFE.2050702-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>


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Avi Kivity wrote:
> Laurent Vivier wrote:
>> Christian Borntraeger wrote:
>>  
>>> Am Freitag, 10. August 2007 schrieb Laurent Vivier:
>>>    
>>>> The aim of these two patches is to measure the CPU time used by a
>>>> virtual
>>>> machine. All comments are welcome... I'm not sure it's the good way
>>>> to do       
>>> that.
>>>
>>> I did something similar for or s390guest prototype, that Carsten
>>> posted in May.  I decided to account guest time to the user process
>>> instead of adding a new field to avoid hazzle with old top. As you
>>> can read in the patch comment, I personally prefer a new field if we
>>> can get one.
>>>
>>> My implementation uses a similar mechanism like hard and softirq. So
>>> I have an sie_enter an sie_exit and a task_is_in_sie function - like
>>> irq_enter and irq_exit. The main difference is based on the fact,
>>> that s390 has precise accouting for irq, steal, user and system time,
>>> and therefore my patch is based on architecture specifc code using
>>> CONFIG_VIRT_CPU_ACCOUNT.
>>> In general my patch has the same idea as your patch, so I am going to
>>> review your patch and see if it would fit for s390.
>>>
>>> For reference this is the (never posted) old patch for our
>>> virtualisation prototype. It wont work with kvm but it gives you the
>>> idea what we had in mind on s390.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> thank you for your comment.
>>
>> As virtualization becomes very popular, perhaps we should implement
>> something
>> which could be used by all linux supported architectures ?
>> (yes, I know it's non-sense for archs like m68k...)
>> But my [PATCH 1/2] can be a good start (adding "guest" in cpustat)
>> As guest accounting is hw dependent, I think we should add a hook in the
>> accounting functions.
>>   
> 
> Isn't PF_VM exactly such a hook?  All the hypervisor needs to do is to
> set/unset it correctly?

In fact, no.

PF_VM is used to know we have entered a virtual CPU (the hypervisor set it, the
scheduler unset it on accounting)

I mean a hook in account_system_time() to call a function arch-dependent to
compute the guest time (and modify the system/user time accordingly) if needed.

If fact what I find annoying in my patch is it adds to guest time and user time
some system time. Perhaps you could have a look to the second patch I sent.

Regards,
Laurent
-- 
------------- Laurent.Vivier-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org  --------------
          "Software is hard" - Donald Knuth


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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-10 15:58 [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:01 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:01 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:01   ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:13   ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:13   ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:13     ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:38     ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:38       ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 13:08       ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 13:08       ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 13:08         ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 13:22         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 13:22         ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 13:22           ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:38     ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:15     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:15       ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:19       ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:19         ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:26         ` [kvm-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:26           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:37           ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:37           ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:37             ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 20:40             ` [kvm-devel] " Heiko Carstens
2007-08-13 20:40               ` Heiko Carstens
2007-08-19  9:32               ` List stripping out cc's (was: Re: [kvm-devel] [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting) Avi Kivity
2007-08-19  9:32               ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19  9:32                 ` List stripping out cc's (was: " Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 19:53                 ` List stripping out cc's Jeff Garzik
2007-08-19 19:53                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-19 20:10                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 20:10                     ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 20:10                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 19:53                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-13 20:40             ` [kvm-devel] [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting Heiko Carstens
2007-08-13 14:26         ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:19       ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:15     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:05   ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:10   ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:10     ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:22     ` [kvm-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:22       ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:22   ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 14:22     ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 14:30     ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:30       ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:41       ` Laurent Vivier [this message]
2007-08-13 14:41         ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 15:22         ` [kvm-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 15:22           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 15:36           ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 15:36             ` Laurent Vivier

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