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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Laurent Vivier <Laurent.Vivier@bull.net>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	cotte@de.ibm.com
Subject: Re: List stripping out cc's
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:10:35 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46C8A3BB.5020505@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46C89FCA.3010802@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>> Heiko Carstens wrote:
>>>>  The only thing remotely relevant in the list config is that
>>>> 'Filter out  duplicate messages to list members (if possible)' is
>>>> set as a default for  new members.  Maybe this means that if a cc
>>>> is also part of the list, that  cc is stripped (which seems a wierd
>>>> implementation; I'd have expected that  cc be kept and just one
>>>> copy sent out).
>>>>
>>>>  Anybody have a clue?
>>>>     
>>>
>>> I got also removed when I was cc'ed. IIRC that started when I
>>> subscribed to
>>> the list. So it looks like people who are subscribed to the list get
>>> removed from the cc list.
>>> That's very annoying btw. ;)
>>>   
>>
>> I think I see what is happening.  The list gets a message that you
>> are copied on.  It sees you have opted not to receive duplicates, it
>> strips you from the cc list, since it knows that you will receive
>> another copy by direct routing (outside the list).
>
> Well, there is also /quite/ the problem with the Mail-Followup-To
> header, which causes most mailers to ignore the preferences of the
> community in favor of the preferences of the message author -- which
> totally screws up traditional To/CC handling on LKML.
>

Sorry, this was about kvm-devel, not lkml -- I should have taken
linux-kernel off the cc list here to avoid increasing confusion. 
Somehow that felt wrong in an email about the evils of stripping out the
cc list.

I don't think there's an issue with M-F-T: here.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff-o2qLIJkoznsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Laurent Vivier <Laurent.Vivier-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	virtualization
	<virtualization-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger
	<borntraeger-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: List stripping out cc's
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:10:35 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46C8A3BB.5020505@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46C89FCA.3010802-o2qLIJkoznsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>> Heiko Carstens wrote:
>>>>  The only thing remotely relevant in the list config is that
>>>> 'Filter out  duplicate messages to list members (if possible)' is
>>>> set as a default for  new members.  Maybe this means that if a cc
>>>> is also part of the list, that  cc is stripped (which seems a wierd
>>>> implementation; I'd have expected that  cc be kept and just one
>>>> copy sent out).
>>>>
>>>>  Anybody have a clue?
>>>>     
>>>
>>> I got also removed when I was cc'ed. IIRC that started when I
>>> subscribed to
>>> the list. So it looks like people who are subscribed to the list get
>>> removed from the cc list.
>>> That's very annoying btw. ;)
>>>   
>>
>> I think I see what is happening.  The list gets a message that you
>> are copied on.  It sees you have opted not to receive duplicates, it
>> strips you from the cc list, since it knows that you will receive
>> another copy by direct routing (outside the list).
>
> Well, there is also /quite/ the problem with the Mail-Followup-To
> header, which causes most mailers to ignore the preferences of the
> community in favor of the preferences of the message author -- which
> totally screws up traditional To/CC handling on LKML.
>

Sorry, this was about kvm-devel, not lkml -- I should have taken
linux-kernel off the cc list here to avoid increasing confusion. 
Somehow that felt wrong in an email about the evils of stripping out the
cc list.

I don't think there's an issue with M-F-T: here.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-19 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-10 15:58 [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:01 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:01 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:01   ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:13   ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:13   ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:13     ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:38     ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:38       ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 13:08       ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 13:08         ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 13:22         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 13:22         ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 13:22           ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 13:08       ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  8:38     ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:15     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:15     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:15       ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:19       ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:19       ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:19         ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:26         ` [kvm-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:26           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:37           ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:37             ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 20:40             ` [kvm-devel] " Heiko Carstens
2007-08-13 20:40               ` Heiko Carstens
2007-08-19  9:32               ` List stripping out cc's (was: Re: [kvm-devel] [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting) Avi Kivity
2007-08-19  9:32               ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19  9:32                 ` List stripping out cc's (was: " Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 19:53                 ` List stripping out cc's Jeff Garzik
2007-08-19 19:53                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-19 20:10                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 20:10                   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-08-19 20:10                     ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 19:53                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-13 20:40             ` [kvm-devel] [PATCH 0/2][KVM] guest time accounting Heiko Carstens
2007-08-13 14:37           ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:26         ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:05 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:05   ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:10   ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:10     ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:22     ` [kvm-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:22       ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 14:22   ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 14:22     ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 14:30     ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:30       ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 14:41       ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 14:41         ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 15:22         ` [kvm-devel] " Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 15:22           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-08-13 15:36           ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 15:36             ` Laurent Vivier

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