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From: Balbir Singh <balbir-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux MM Mailing List
	<linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Paul Menage <menage-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [-mm PATCH]  Memory controller improve user interface
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:14:15 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D5F6BF.2080607@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1188427000.28903.148.camel@localhost>

Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 03:57 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> True, mmap() is a good example of such an interface for developers, I
>> am not sure about system admins though.
>>
>> To quote Andrew
>> <quote>
>> Reporting tools could run getpagesize() and do the arithmetic, but we
>> generally try to avoid exposing PAGE_SIZE, HZ, etc to userspace in this
>> manner.
>> </quote>
> 
> Well, rounding to PAGE_SIZE exposes PAGE_SIZE as well, just in a
> non-intuitive fashion. :)
> 

Agreed, but the user might choose to ignore it altogether.

> If we're going to modify what the user specifies, we should probably at
> least mandate that writes are only a "suggestion" and users must read
> back the value to ensure what actually got committed.
> 

Agreed, excellent suggestion!

> If we're going to round in any direction, shouldn't we round up?  If a
> user specifies 4097 bytes and uses two pages, we don't want to complain
> when they hit that second page.  
> 

Absolutely, I used rounding to mean round up, truncation for rounding down.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM Mailing List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Subject: Re: [-mm PATCH]  Memory controller improve user interface
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:14:15 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D5F6BF.2080607@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1188427000.28903.148.camel@localhost>

Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 03:57 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> True, mmap() is a good example of such an interface for developers, I
>> am not sure about system admins though.
>>
>> To quote Andrew
>> <quote>
>> Reporting tools could run getpagesize() and do the arithmetic, but we
>> generally try to avoid exposing PAGE_SIZE, HZ, etc to userspace in this
>> manner.
>> </quote>
> 
> Well, rounding to PAGE_SIZE exposes PAGE_SIZE as well, just in a
> non-intuitive fashion. :)
> 

Agreed, but the user might choose to ignore it altogether.

> If we're going to modify what the user specifies, we should probably at
> least mandate that writes are only a "suggestion" and users must read
> back the value to ensure what actually got committed.
> 

Agreed, excellent suggestion!

> If we're going to round in any direction, shouldn't we round up?  If a
> user specifies 4097 bytes and uses two pages, we don't want to complain
> when they hit that second page.  
> 

Absolutely, I used rounding to mean round up, truncation for rounding down.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM Mailing List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Subject: Re: [-mm PATCH]  Memory controller improve user interface
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:14:15 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D5F6BF.2080607@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1188427000.28903.148.camel@localhost>

Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 03:57 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> True, mmap() is a good example of such an interface for developers, I
>> am not sure about system admins though.
>>
>> To quote Andrew
>> <quote>
>> Reporting tools could run getpagesize() and do the arithmetic, but we
>> generally try to avoid exposing PAGE_SIZE, HZ, etc to userspace in this
>> manner.
>> </quote>
> 
> Well, rounding to PAGE_SIZE exposes PAGE_SIZE as well, just in a
> non-intuitive fashion. :)
> 

Agreed, but the user might choose to ignore it altogether.

> If we're going to modify what the user specifies, we should probably at
> least mandate that writes are only a "suggestion" and users must read
> back the value to ensure what actually got committed.
> 

Agreed, excellent suggestion!

> If we're going to round in any direction, shouldn't we round up?  If a
> user specifies 4097 bytes and uses two pages, we don't want to complain
> when they hit that second page.  
> 

Absolutely, I used rounding to mean round up, truncation for rounding down.

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-29 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-29 11:10 [-mm PATCH] Memory controller improve user interface Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 11:10 ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 15:28 ` Paul Menage
2007-08-29 15:28   ` Paul Menage
2007-08-29 16:07   ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 16:07     ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 16:17     ` Paul Menage
2007-08-29 16:17       ` Paul Menage
2007-08-29 18:45 ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 18:45   ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 22:04   ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:04     ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:04     ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:18     ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 22:18       ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 22:20       ` Paul Menage
2007-08-29 22:20         ` Paul Menage
2007-08-29 22:25         ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 22:25           ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 22:37           ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:37             ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:37             ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-30  5:38             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-08-30  5:38               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]               ` <20070830143859.e9d3511a.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-30  9:13                 ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-30  9:13                   ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-30  9:13                   ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:27       ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:27         ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:36         ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 22:36           ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-29 22:44           ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2007-08-29 22:44             ` Balbir Singh
2007-08-29 22:44             ` Balbir Singh

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