From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: jeff@garzik.org, James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com,
mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache()
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:52:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48150392.6040508@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080427.154620.177583216.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller wrote:
> From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:39:24 -0400
>
>> I disagree with this semantics change. A number of code places _and
>> drivers_ GET IT RIGHT, and these are all broken now?
>
> [ Note, James's patch that you quoted is about mapping DMA
> memory, in dma_declare_coherent_memory(), rather than devices.
> But I know what you are trying to talk about Jeff. :-) ]
>
> Wrt. ioremap() semanics, it is important to realize that if
> the implementation of this on x86 has been giving non-cached
> I/O mappings out up until recently, you can expect that there
> are hundreds of drivers that might now be broken.
>
> That's the sad fact of the ubiquity of x86, and it doesn't matter how
> we defined the API is some document.
>
> Anyways, my point is that this angle should be strongly considered in
> any discussion about ioremap() behavior.
>
There are pretty much three reasons to default to uncached, as far as I
understand:
1. De facto historical practice (follow the MTRRs);
2. Conservatism (failure mode less drastic);
3. Compatibility with other architectures.
Arguably, the right thing is to not even have ioremap() anymore, just
ioremap_{cache,nocache,wc} and consider any unconverted ioremap() as a
flag to audit that particular piece of code.
I don't think that can be done "instantly", though, so defaulting
ioremap() to uncached (as it apparently has been on other arches
already?) is the conservative option in the meantime.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-27 22:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-27 20:51 Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree James Bottomley
2008-04-27 20:53 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 21:48 ` [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache() Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 22:05 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-27 22:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:31 ` David Miller
2008-04-28 0:31 ` Rik van Riel
2008-04-28 0:45 ` Al Viro
2008-04-28 0:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-28 9:01 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-28 9:17 ` David Miller
2008-04-28 9:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 11:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28 6:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 16:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:34 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:46 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 22:52 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-04-27 22:58 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-30 20:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-27 23:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:59 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-30 21:44 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-30 22:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 23:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-04-28 14:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 14:29 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-28 15:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 19:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:00 ` Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:10 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:18 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:00 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:03 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 23:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
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