From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache()
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:59:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48162C93.3040101@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080428080700.4190f5e6@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>
> Cached means that the cpu, at any time, can do a speculative read to the memory.
> It also means that the cpu can then write the speculated cacheline back at any time later,
> if some speculation was going to write to the cacheline but didn't actually happen.
> (before you think this is bogus, at least AMD cpus do this and I can't vouch for Intel
> cpus never doing this).
> If the on-the-bus hardware *ever* writes to the memory without being part of the full
> cache coherence protocol it's in trouble. Big time.
> Even if it sends an invalidate first (which PCI and others just don't allow, not sure about MCA though),
> it's not enough because the cpu can just read it right back... one needs a "take for ownership" not
> an "invalidate" for this to work, and that means being part of the full protocol.
>
Although realistically speaking, the OS *can* generally know that the
only transactor is the CPU -- in fact, that will be the normal condition.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-28 20:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-27 20:51 Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree James Bottomley
2008-04-27 20:53 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 21:48 ` [patch] x86, voyager: fix ioremap_nocache() Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 22:05 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-27 22:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-27 23:31 ` David Miller
2008-04-28 0:31 ` Rik van Riel
2008-04-28 0:45 ` Al Viro
2008-04-28 0:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-28 9:01 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-28 9:17 ` David Miller
2008-04-28 9:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-28 11:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-28 6:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 16:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:34 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:46 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 22:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-30 20:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-04-27 23:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 22:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:59 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-27 23:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-30 21:44 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-30 22:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 23:01 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-04-28 14:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 14:29 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-28 15:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-28 19:59 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-04-27 22:00 ` Breakage caused by unreviewed patch in x86 tree H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:10 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:18 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-27 22:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:00 ` David Miller
2008-04-27 23:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:03 ` James Bottomley
2008-04-27 23:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-27 23:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
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