From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, jim owens <jowens@hp.com>,
linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Some very basic questions
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:54:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48FF3EB8.6050306@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FF3CB9.6070404@redhat.com>
Ric Wheeler wrote:
>> You want to have spare capacity, enough for one or two (or fifteen)
>> drives' worth of data. When a drive goes bad, you rebuild into the
>> spare capacity you have.
>
> That is a different model (and one that makes sense, we used that in
> Centera for object level protection schemes). It is a nice model as
> well, but not how most storage works today.
Well, btrfs is not about duplicating how most storage works today.
Spare capacity has significant advantages over spare disks, such as
being able to mix disk sizes, RAID levels, and better performance.
>>
>> When you replace the drive, the filesystem moves data into the new
>> drive to take advantage of the new spindle.
>>
>
> When you buy a storage solution (hardware or software), the key here
> is "utilized capacity." If you have an enclosure that can host say
> 12-15 drives in a 2U enclosure, people normally leave one drive as
> spare. RAID6 is another way to do this. You can do a 4+2 and 4+2 with
> 66% utilized capacity in RAID 6 or possibly a RAID5 scheme using like
> 5+1 and 4+1 with one global spare (75% utilized capacity).
>
> That gives you the chance to do rebuild your RAID group without
> having to physically visit the data center. You can also do fancy
> stuff with the spare (like migrate as many blocks as possible before
> the RAID rebuild to that spare) which reduces your exposure to the 2nd
> drive failure and speeds up your rebuild time.
>
> In the end, whether you use a block based RAID solution or an object
> based solution, you just need to figure out how to balance your
> utilized capacity against performance and data integrity needs.
In both models (spare disk and spare capacity) the storage utilization
is the same, or nearly so. But with spare capacity you get better
performance since you have more spindles seeking for your data, and
since less of the disk surface is occupied by data, making your seeks
shorter.
--
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-22 14:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-21 11:23 Some very basic questions Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 12:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 14:22 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 15:34 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 11:36 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:15 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:03 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:13 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:16 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-21 13:20 ` jim owens
2008-10-21 17:01 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-21 17:31 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:27 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:15 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:27 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:32 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:36 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:40 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:46 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:54 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-10-22 15:02 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:13 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:25 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:33 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 15:43 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:54 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 18:28 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:39 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:52 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 15:56 ` Michel Salim
2008-10-22 16:56 ` jim owens
2008-10-23 9:47 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 11:40 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 13:59 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-21 16:09 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:27 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:59 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:46 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:49 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 12:19 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:48 ` Jeff Schroeder
2008-10-22 14:02 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:50 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:04 ` Matthias Wächter
2008-10-22 14:32 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:44 ` jim owens
2008-10-24 8:42 ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-24 8:39 ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-21 20:54 ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-21 22:18 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 2:29 ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 10:42 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 10:53 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 12:57 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:57 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:15 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 13:19 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:38 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:59 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:23 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:23 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 16:14 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 16:34 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-23 3:59 ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 18:32 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:13 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 19:22 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:59 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 21:31 ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 21:56 ` Ric Wheeler
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-21 17:37 calin
2008-10-21 20:08 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 7:15 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:13 ` jim owens
2008-10-22 14:25 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:35 dbz
2008-10-27 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
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