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From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, jim owens <jowens@hp.com>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Some very basic questions
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:54:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48FF4CAE.3080206@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48FF4A17.80204@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Chris Mason wrote:
>> One problem with the spare
>> capacity model is the general trend where drives from the same batch
>> that get hammered on in the same way tend to die at the same time.  Some
>> shops will sleep better knowing there's a hot spare and that's fine by
>> me.
>>   
>
> How does hot sparing help?  All your disks die except the spare.
>
> Of course, I've no objection to disk sparing as an additional option; 
> I just feel that capacity sparing is superior.
>
For any given set of disks, you "just" need to do the math to compute 
the utilized capacity, the expected rate of drive failure, the rebuild 
time and then see whether you can recover from your first failure before 
a 2nd disk dies.

In practice, this is not an academic question since drives do 
occasionally fail in batches (and drives from the same batch get stuffed 
into the same system).

I suspect that what will be used in mission critical deployments will be 
more conservative than what is used in less critical path systems, but 
this will be up to the end user to configure...

ric


  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-22 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-21 11:23 Some very basic questions Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 12:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 14:22   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 15:34     ` jim owens
2008-10-22 11:36       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:15         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:03           ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:13             ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:16             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-21 13:20 ` jim owens
2008-10-21 17:01   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-21 17:31       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:27         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:15           ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:27             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:32               ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:36                 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:40                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:46                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:54                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:02                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:13                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:25                         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 15:33                           ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 15:43                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:54                               ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2008-10-22 18:28                                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 15:39                           ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 13:52             ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 15:56               ` Michel Salim
2008-10-22 16:56                 ` jim owens
2008-10-23  9:47                 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 11:40       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 13:59 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-21 16:09   ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:43     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:27   ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 16:59     ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 11:46       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-21 17:49     ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 12:19       ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 12:48         ` Jeff Schroeder
2008-10-22 14:02           ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2008-10-22 13:50         ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:04           ` Matthias Wächter
2008-10-22 14:32             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 14:44               ` jim owens
2008-10-24  8:42           ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-24  8:39         ` Chris Samuel
2008-10-21 20:54   ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-21 22:18     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22  2:29       ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 10:42         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 10:53           ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 12:57             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 12:57             ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:15               ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 13:19                 ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 13:38                   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:59                     ` Chris Mason
2008-10-22 14:23                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 13:23                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 16:14                   ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 16:34                     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-23  3:59                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-10-22 18:32                     ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:13                       ` jim owens
2008-10-22 19:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 19:59                       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-10-22 21:31                     ` Eric Anopolsky
2008-10-22 21:56                       ` Ric Wheeler
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-10-21 17:37 calin
2008-10-21 20:08 ` jim owens
2008-10-22  7:15   ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:13     ` jim owens
2008-10-22 14:25       ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-22 14:35 dbz
2008-10-27 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski

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