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From: Felix Fietkau <nbd@openwrt.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>,
	Michael Buesch <mb@bu3sch.de>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	John Linville <linville@tuxdriver.com>
Subject: Re: rate instability in wireless stack
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:36:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49623712.4060106@openwrt.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090105163553.GU496@one.firstfloor.org>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> Ok, but I see the same thing with two different cards, with different
> chipsets (RaLink and RealTek). You think they both have that problem?
Yes, I think that's not unlikely.

>> Maybe we can see more if you provide some minstrel stats after
>> you've pushed more traffic through the link - 25-50 packets is not
>> nearly enough for getting an accurate view of how good the link is.
>> Try to push through a few megabytes of data...
> 
> Here are the statistics after a few MB.
> 
> rate     throughput  ewma prob   this prob  this succ/attempt   success    attempts
> TtP  1         0.9       97.9      100.0          1(  1)      19284       21249
>      2         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         101
>      5.5       0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         104
>     11         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)        253         397
>      6         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         103
>      9         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         106
>     12         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         107
>     18         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         104
>     24         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         111
>     36         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         120
>     48         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         179
>     54         0.0        0.0        0.0          0(  0)          0         253
> 
> Total packet count::    ideal 9023      lookaround 474
According to the rate control's view, only the 1M has a usable
success probability. It's rather insteresting that 11M is the only
other rate that had some successes. With this kind of results, the
only two options that I can think of are either a systematic tx
status reporting error (false negative for the IEEE80211_TX_STAT_ACK
flag), or something PHY related.
I think the latter is more likely.

- Felix

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-05 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-04 16:46 rate instability in wireless stack Andi Kleen
2009-01-04 16:36 ` Michael Buesch
2009-01-04 17:41   ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05  0:29     ` Larry Finger
2009-01-05  2:53       ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05  3:55         ` Larry Finger
2009-01-05  5:02           ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05  4:59             ` Larry Finger
2009-01-05  5:48               ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05  5:51                 ` Larry Finger
2009-01-05  8:17                   ` Johannes Berg
2009-01-05 12:54                     ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05 13:32                 ` Felix Fietkau
2009-01-05 14:23                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05 14:41                     ` Felix Fietkau
2009-01-05 15:24                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05 15:25                         ` Felix Fietkau
2009-01-05 16:35                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05 16:36                             ` Felix Fietkau [this message]
2009-01-05 17:11                               ` Andi Kleen
2009-01-05 17:01                                 ` Felix Fietkau
2009-01-05 19:33                                   ` Hin-Tak Leung
2009-01-05 20:16                                     ` Larry Finger
2009-01-05  4:22         ` Larry Finger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-07  6:46 Martín Ernesto Barreyro

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