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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: qemu-kvm.git now live
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:12:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F96B6F.6050005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49F08BD0.6000706@redhat.com>

Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> That's sort of what's implemented in qemu-kvm.git.  In qemu.git vga
>> logging does not get disabled, which is really broken.  It prevents
>> optimizations like disabling logging when the screen is not displayed to
>> a human.
>>     
>
> Is there a channel that tells vga "nothing will be displayed"? I may
> have missed it while removing all those disable-logging-as-it-may-
> confuse-slot-management hooks.
>   

I think currently qemu simply stops calling vga_draw_graphic().  This 
makes sense for tcg since it needs to track dirty memory regardless (so 
it can invalidate TBs).  But for kvm we'll want to add an explicit channel.

Note that it isn't likely to make a huge difference: if you don't 
actively read-and-reset the dirty bitmap, kvm will keep the shadow ptes 
with write permission and you won't see any performance hit.  The only 
difference is whether large pages can be used or not.

>>> Where/how does the
>>> migration code disable dirty logging?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Should be phase 3 of ram_save_live().
>>     
>
> But only in qemu-kvm. What is the plan about pushing it upstream? Then
> we could discuss how to extend the exiting support best.
>   

Pushing things upstream is quite difficult because of the very different 
infrastructure.  It's unfortunate that upstream rewrote everything 
instead of changing things incrementally.  Rewrites are almost always a 
mistake since they throw away accumulated knowledge.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>,
	"Zhang, Xiantao" <xiantao.zhang@intel.com>,
	kvm-ppc <kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
	Carsten Otte <cotte@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: qemu-kvm.git now live
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:12:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F96B6F.6050005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49F8756C.6080503@siemens.com>

Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> That's sort of what's implemented in qemu-kvm.git.  In qemu.git vga
>> logging does not get disabled, which is really broken.  It prevents
>> optimizations like disabling logging when the screen is not displayed to
>> a human.
>>     
>
> Is there a channel that tells vga "nothing will be displayed"? I may
> have missed it while removing all those disable-logging-as-it-may-
> confuse-slot-management hooks.
>   

I think currently qemu simply stops calling vga_draw_graphic().  This 
makes sense for tcg since it needs to track dirty memory regardless (so 
it can invalidate TBs).  But for kvm we'll want to add an explicit channel.

Note that it isn't likely to make a huge difference: if you don't 
actively read-and-reset the dirty bitmap, kvm will keep the shadow ptes 
with write permission and you won't see any performance hit.  The only 
difference is whether large pages can be used or not.

>>> Where/how does the
>>> migration code disable dirty logging?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Should be phase 3 of ram_save_live().
>>     
>
> But only in qemu-kvm. What is the plan about pushing it upstream? Then
> we could discuss how to extend the exiting support best.
>   

Pushing things upstream is quite difficult because of the very different 
infrastructure.  It's unfortunate that upstream rewrote everything 
instead of changing things incrementally.  Rewrites are almost always a 
mistake since they throw away accumulated knowledge.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
Cc: KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>,
	"Zhang, Xiantao" <xiantao.zhang@intel.com>,
	kvm-ppc <kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
	Carsten Otte <cotte@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: qemu-kvm.git now live
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:12:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F96B6F.6050005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49F8756C.6080503@siemens.com>

Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> That's sort of what's implemented in qemu-kvm.git.  In qemu.git vga
>> logging does not get disabled, which is really broken.  It prevents
>> optimizations like disabling logging when the screen is not displayed to
>> a human.
>>     
>
> Is there a channel that tells vga "nothing will be displayed"? I may
> have missed it while removing all those disable-logging-as-it-may-
> confuse-slot-management hooks.
>   

I think currently qemu simply stops calling vga_draw_graphic().  This 
makes sense for tcg since it needs to track dirty memory regardless (so 
it can invalidate TBs).  But for kvm we'll want to add an explicit channel.

Note that it isn't likely to make a huge difference: if you don't 
actively read-and-reset the dirty bitmap, kvm will keep the shadow ptes 
with write permission and you won't see any performance hit.  The only 
difference is whether large pages can be used or not.

>>> Where/how does the
>>> migration code disable dirty logging?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Should be phase 3 of ram_save_live().
>>     
>
> But only in qemu-kvm. What is the plan about pushing it upstream? Then
> we could discuss how to extend the exiting support best.
>   

Pushing things upstream is quite difficult because of the very different 
infrastructure.  It's unfortunate that upstream rewrote everything 
instead of changing things incrementally.  Rewrites are almost always a 
mistake since they throw away accumulated knowledge.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-30  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-23 15:40 qemu-kvm.git now live Avi Kivity
2009-04-23 15:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-23 15:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-23 17:33 ` walt
2009-04-23 17:33   ` walt
2009-04-23 17:42 ` Cam Macdonell
2009-04-24 18:14   ` walt
2009-04-25  9:25     ` [PATCH] qemu-kvm: build system Add link to qemu Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 10:33       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 11:20         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 11:39           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 12:24             ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 12:33               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 12:37                 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 12:46                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 11:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03  9:16       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-04 21:01         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26  9:20   ` qemu-kvm.git now live Avi Kivity
2009-04-27  1:00     ` Cameron Macdonell
2009-04-27  6:28       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-24  2:49 ` Liu Yu-B13201
2009-04-24  2:49   ` Liu Yu-B13201
2009-04-24 10:16   ` Andreas Winkelbauer
     [not found]   ` <0A1FE637C2C7E148B9573BB60CC630E5210156-bKEhWGtIRUJ4Lp7cDGe+DVjVikpgYyvb5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-26  9:22     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26  9:22       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found] ` <49F08BD0.6000706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 21:53   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-28 21:53     ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]     ` <1240955602.24625.57.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 22:20       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:24         ` Glauber Costa
2009-04-28 22:24           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <5d6222a80904281524v5eb5b163pd21e7d6643cbdbc6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 22:28             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:28               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:34               ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-28 22:34                 ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]         ` <49F78134.30904-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 22:33           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-28 22:33             ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]             ` <1240957999.24625.60.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-29  8:31               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29  8:31                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <49F81054.4010102-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 21:51                   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-01 21:51                     ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]                     ` <1241214678.32624.176.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-02  7:52                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:52                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <49FBFBC4.10905-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-04 21:35                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-04 21:35                             ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-29  8:29       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29  8:29         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <49F80FE2.5030600-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 21:23           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-01 21:23             ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]             ` <1241213025.32624.167.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 22:55               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-01 22:55                 ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                 ` <49FB7DF4.60201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-02  7:42                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:42                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:54               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:54                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:58               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:58                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02 14:50               ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-05-02 14:50                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-04-29  8:49 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29  8:49   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29  8:49   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 10:42 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 10:42   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 10:42   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 10:55 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 10:55   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 10:55   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 11:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 11:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 11:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 11:31 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 11:31   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 11:31   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 14:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 14:40   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 14:40   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 15:42 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 15:42   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 15:42   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30  9:12 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-04-30  9:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30  9:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30  9:29 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30  9:29   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30  9:29   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 10:54 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 10:54   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 10:54   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 15:32 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 15:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 15:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 15:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 15:43   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 15:43   ` Avi Kivity
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-26  7:38 [PATCH] qemu-kvm: configure script fixups after qemu-kvm reorg Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  7:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  7:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  7:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-04-26  7:48   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-04-26  7:48   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-04-26  8:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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