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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: qemu-kvm.git now live
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:29:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F96F5E.6060404@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49F08BD0.6000706@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>> Where/how does the
>>>> migration code disable dirty logging?
>>>>         
>>> Should be phase 3 of ram_save_live().
>>>     
>>
>> But only in qemu-kvm. What is the plan about pushing it upstream? Then
>> we could discuss how to extend the exiting support best.
>>   
> 
> Pushing things upstream is quite difficult because of the very different
> infrastructure.

Isn't the midterm goal to get rid of most of these differences (namely
libkvm)?

> It's unfortunate that upstream rewrote everything
> instead of changing things incrementally.  Rewrites are almost always a
> mistake since they throw away accumulated knowledge.

I disagree, at least in this particular case. Upstream already diverged
from qemu-kvm, and the latter provided no comparable alternative for
slot management and dirty logging. And I still don't see that we lost
anything that could not easily be re-integrated into upstream (ie.
global dirty logging), finally leading to a cleaner and more complete
result.

So, what bits are missing to make KVM migration work in upstream?

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT SE 2
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: KVM list <kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>,
	Hollis Blanchard
	<hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Zhang,
	Xiantao" <xiantao.zhang-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-ppc <kvm-ppc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Carsten Otte <cotte-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: qemu-kvm.git now live
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:29:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F96F5E.6060404@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49F96B6F.6050005-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>> Where/how does the
>>>> migration code disable dirty logging?
>>>>         
>>> Should be phase 3 of ram_save_live().
>>>     
>>
>> But only in qemu-kvm. What is the plan about pushing it upstream? Then
>> we could discuss how to extend the exiting support best.
>>   
> 
> Pushing things upstream is quite difficult because of the very different
> infrastructure.

Isn't the midterm goal to get rid of most of these differences (namely
libkvm)?

> It's unfortunate that upstream rewrote everything
> instead of changing things incrementally.  Rewrites are almost always a
> mistake since they throw away accumulated knowledge.

I disagree, at least in this particular case. Upstream already diverged
from qemu-kvm, and the latter provided no comparable alternative for
slot management and dirty logging. And I still don't see that we lost
anything that could not easily be re-integrated into upstream (ie.
global dirty logging), finally leading to a cleaner and more complete
result.

So, what bits are missing to make KVM migration work in upstream?

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT SE 2
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: KVM list <kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>,
	Hollis Blanchard
	<hollisb-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Zhang,
	Xiantao" <xiantao.zhang-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-ppc <kvm-ppc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Carsten Otte <cotte-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: qemu-kvm.git now live
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:29:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49F96F5E.6060404@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49F96B6F.6050005-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>> Where/how does the
>>>> migration code disable dirty logging?
>>>>         
>>> Should be phase 3 of ram_save_live().
>>>     
>>
>> But only in qemu-kvm. What is the plan about pushing it upstream? Then
>> we could discuss how to extend the exiting support best.
>>   
> 
> Pushing things upstream is quite difficult because of the very different
> infrastructure.

Isn't the midterm goal to get rid of most of these differences (namely
libkvm)?

> It's unfortunate that upstream rewrote everything
> instead of changing things incrementally.  Rewrites are almost always a
> mistake since they throw away accumulated knowledge.

I disagree, at least in this particular case. Upstream already diverged
from qemu-kvm, and the latter provided no comparable alternative for
slot management and dirty logging. And I still don't see that we lost
anything that could not easily be re-integrated into upstream (ie.
global dirty logging), finally leading to a cleaner and more complete
result.

So, what bits are missing to make KVM migration work in upstream?

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT SE 2
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-30  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-23 15:40 qemu-kvm.git now live Avi Kivity
2009-04-23 15:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-23 15:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-23 17:33 ` walt
2009-04-23 17:33   ` walt
2009-04-23 17:42 ` Cam Macdonell
2009-04-24 18:14   ` walt
2009-04-25  9:25     ` [PATCH] qemu-kvm: build system Add link to qemu Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 10:33       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 11:20         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 11:39           ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 12:24             ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 12:33               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 12:37                 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26 12:46                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26 11:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-05-03  9:16       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-04 21:01         ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-26  9:20   ` qemu-kvm.git now live Avi Kivity
2009-04-27  1:00     ` Cameron Macdonell
2009-04-27  6:28       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-24  2:49 ` Liu Yu-B13201
2009-04-24  2:49   ` Liu Yu-B13201
2009-04-24 10:16   ` Andreas Winkelbauer
     [not found]   ` <0A1FE637C2C7E148B9573BB60CC630E5210156-bKEhWGtIRUJ4Lp7cDGe+DVjVikpgYyvb5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-26  9:22     ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-26  9:22       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found] ` <49F08BD0.6000706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 21:53   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-28 21:53     ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]     ` <1240955602.24625.57.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 22:20       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:24         ` Glauber Costa
2009-04-28 22:24           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <5d6222a80904281524v5eb5b163pd21e7d6643cbdbc6-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 22:28             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:28               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-04-28 22:34               ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-28 22:34                 ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]         ` <49F78134.30904-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-28 22:33           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-28 22:33             ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]             ` <1240957999.24625.60.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-29  8:31               ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29  8:31                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <49F81054.4010102-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 21:51                   ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-01 21:51                     ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]                     ` <1241214678.32624.176.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-02  7:52                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:52                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <49FBFBC4.10905-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-04 21:35                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-04 21:35                             ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-04-29  8:29       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29  8:29         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <49F80FE2.5030600-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 21:23           ` Hollis Blanchard
2009-05-01 21:23             ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]             ` <1241213025.32624.167.camel-EGjIuKC2qUdB0N6nvOmcJFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-01 22:55               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-05-01 22:55                 ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                 ` <49FB7DF4.60201-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-02  7:42                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:42                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:54               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:54                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:58               ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02  7:58                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-02 14:50               ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-05-02 14:50                 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2009-04-29  8:49 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29  8:49   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29  8:49   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 10:42 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 10:42   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 10:42   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 10:55 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 10:55   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 10:55   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 11:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 11:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 11:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 11:31 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 11:31   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 11:31   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 14:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 14:40   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 14:40   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-29 15:42 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 15:42   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-29 15:42   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30  9:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30  9:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30  9:12   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30  9:29 ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2009-04-30  9:29   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30  9:29   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 10:54 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 10:54   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 10:54   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 15:32 ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 15:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 15:32   ` Jan Kiszka
2009-04-30 15:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 15:43   ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-30 15:43   ` Avi Kivity
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-04-26  7:38 [PATCH] qemu-kvm: configure script fixups after qemu-kvm reorg Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  7:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  7:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  7:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-04-26  7:48   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-04-26  7:48   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-04-26  8:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:15   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-04-26  8:51   ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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