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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: dlaor@redhat.com
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	John Cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:24:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B45A851.5000401@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B45A536.1070300@redhat.com>

On 01/07/2010 11:11 AM, Dor Laor wrote:
> On 01/07/2010 10:18 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 01/07/2010 10:03 AM, Dor Laor wrote:
>>>
>>> We can debate about the exact name/model to represent the Nehalem
>>> family, I don't have an issue with that and actually Intel and Amd
>>> should define it.
>>
>> AMD and Intel already defined their names (in cat /proc/cpuinfo). They
>> don't define families, the whole idea is to segment the market.
>
> The idea here is to minimize the number of models we should have the 
> following range for Intel for example:
>   pentium3 - merom -  penry - Nehalem - host - kvm/qemu64
> So we're supplying wide range of cpus, p3 for maximum flexibility and 
> migration, nehalem for performance and migration, host for maximum 
> performance and qemu/kvm64 for custom maid.

There's no such thing as Nehalem.

>>>
>>> This is exactly what vmware are doing:
>>> - Intel CPUs :
>>> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1991 
>>>
>>>
>>> - AMD CPUs :
>>> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1992 
>>>
>>>
>>
>> They don't have to deal with different qemu and kvm versions.
>>
>
> Both our customers - the end users. It's not their problem.
> IMO what's missing today is a safe and sound cpu emulation that is 
> simply and friendly to represent. qemu64,+popcount is not simple for 
> the end user. There is no reason to through it on higher level mgmt.

There's no simple solution except to restrict features to what was 
available on the first processors.



-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: dlaor@redhat.com
Cc: kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	John Cooper <john.cooper@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 11:24:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B45A851.5000401@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B45A536.1070300@redhat.com>

On 01/07/2010 11:11 AM, Dor Laor wrote:
> On 01/07/2010 10:18 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> On 01/07/2010 10:03 AM, Dor Laor wrote:
>>>
>>> We can debate about the exact name/model to represent the Nehalem
>>> family, I don't have an issue with that and actually Intel and Amd
>>> should define it.
>>
>> AMD and Intel already defined their names (in cat /proc/cpuinfo). They
>> don't define families, the whole idea is to segment the market.
>
> The idea here is to minimize the number of models we should have the 
> following range for Intel for example:
>   pentium3 - merom -  penry - Nehalem - host - kvm/qemu64
> So we're supplying wide range of cpus, p3 for maximum flexibility and 
> migration, nehalem for performance and migration, host for maximum 
> performance and qemu/kvm64 for custom maid.

There's no such thing as Nehalem.

>>>
>>> This is exactly what vmware are doing:
>>> - Intel CPUs :
>>> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1991 
>>>
>>>
>>> - AMD CPUs :
>>> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1992 
>>>
>>>
>>
>> They don't have to deal with different qemu and kvm versions.
>>
>
> Both our customers - the end users. It's not their problem.
> IMO what's missing today is a safe and sound cpu emulation that is 
> simply and friendly to represent. qemu64,+popcount is not simple for 
> the end user. There is no reason to through it on higher level mgmt.

There's no simple solution except to restrict features to what was 
available on the first processors.



-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-07  9:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-14 19:35 [Qemu-devel] cpuid problem in upstream qemu with kvm Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 19:44   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:57     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:00       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-14 20:02         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:08           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-14 20:14             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:10           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:18             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:31               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:54                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 21:10                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 21:49                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 14:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 17:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 17:56                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20  9:42                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20  9:49               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 14:48                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 14:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:33                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 15:36                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:38                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 15:40                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:49                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 15:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 15:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 15:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-20 16:56                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 17:17                       ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:18                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-20 17:23                           ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:23                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 17:29                             ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-20 17:37                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-20 17:59                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-20 18:06                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21  7:48                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21 13:25                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-20 18:12                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21  7:43                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-21  8:28                                     ` Dor Laor
2009-12-21 22:51                                       ` john cooper
2009-12-22 13:54                                         ` Dor Laor
2009-12-22 15:19                                           ` john cooper
2009-12-22 16:12                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-05  6:06                                         ` john cooper
2010-01-06  8:02                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]                                         ` <4B31F1BA.10005@redhat.com>
2010-01-06  0:10                                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06  3:25                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:25                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06 13:35                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 13:47                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:49                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06 13:54                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 13:55                                                       ` Alexander Graf
2010-01-06 13:58                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 14:22                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 14:32                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 14:48                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-06 15:16                                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07  8:03                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  8:03                                                                     ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  8:18                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07  8:18                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07  9:11                                                                       ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  9:11                                                                         ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  9:24                                                                         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-01-07  9:24                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07  9:40                                                                           ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 11:39                                                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 11:39                                                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 11:44                                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 11:44                                                                                 ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 12:00                                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:00                                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:20                                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 12:20                                                                                     ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 12:33                                                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 12:33                                                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 12:40                                                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:40                                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:47                                                                                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07 12:47                                                                                           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07 12:50                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:50                                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 13:14                                                                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 13:14                                                                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-07 13:42                                                                                           ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07 13:42                                                                                             ` Dor Laor
2010-01-11 13:26                                                                                         ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-11 13:26                                                                                           ` Markus Armbruster
2010-01-07 11:59                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-07 12:17                                                                               ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  8:24                                                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07  8:24                                                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-07  9:13                                                                       ` Dor Laor
2010-01-07  9:13                                                                         ` Dor Laor
2010-01-06 15:02                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-06 15:12                                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-06  9:44                                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-06  9:54                                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 10:21                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2010-01-06 10:25                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-06 16:19                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2009-12-21 11:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:59                                     ` Andre Przywara
2009-12-21 16:14                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 23:02                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-21 11:12                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 11:18                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:22                               ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21 11:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:45                                   ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-21 12:02                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-22 22:52                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-21 12:05                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 13:45                                       ` David S. Ahern
2009-12-21 13:51                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 14:07                                           ` David S. Ahern
2009-12-21 16:11                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:04                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:04                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 12:09                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 12:17                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-21 11:38                             ` Yaniv Kaul
2009-12-21 13:31                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2009-12-22 22:56                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-12-16 14:23           ` [Qemu-devel] " Andre Przywara

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