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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Consolidate vcpu ioctl locking
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:09:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BEFB666.50107@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1273749459-622-1-git-send-email-avi@redhat.com>

On 05/16/2010 12:01 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
>> That's what the world looked like in 2006.
>>
>> We could change it, but there's not much point, since having the local apic in the kernel is pretty much a requirement for reasonable performance.
>>      
> Well, I'm not convinced yet that's the case for PPC as well. The timer is in-cpu anyways and I don't see why IPIs should be slow with a userspace pic - if we keep the overhead low.
>    

If it's at all possible keep the mpic out.  I am _not_ advocating 
pushing ppc's mpic into the kernel.

> So let me think this through. With remote interrupt injection we have.
>
> * thread 1 does vcpu_run
> * thread 2 triggers KVM_INTERRUPT on fd
> * thread 2 signals thread 1 so we're sure the interrupt gets injected
> * thread 1 exits into qemu
>    

This doesn't seem necessary.  The kernel can own the interrupt line, so 
it remembers it from the last KVM_INTERRUPT.

> * thread 1 goes back into the vcpu, triggering an interrupt
>
> Without we have:
>
> * thread 1 does vcpu_run
> * thread 2 wants to trigger an an interrupt, sets the qemu internal bit
> * thread 2 signals thread 1 so we're sure the interrupt gets processed
> * thread 1 exits into qemu
> * thread 1 triggers KVM_INTERRUPT on fd
> * thread 1 goes into the vcpu
>
> So we don't really buy anything from doing the remote injection. Hrm.
>    

Not if you make interrupt injection a lightweight exit.

> What's somewhat striking me here though is - why do we need KVM_INTERRUPT when there's all those kvm_run fields? Can't we just do interrupt injection by setting run->trigger_interrupt? There's only a single "interrupt line" on the CPU anyways. That way we'd save the ioctl and get rid of the locking problem altogether.
>    

That's what x86 does.  However, it's synchronous.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti
	<mtosatti-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-ppc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-ppc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"carsteno-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<carsteno-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Consolidate vcpu ioctl locking
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:09:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BEFB666.50107@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DE2111D3-1AC9-45A3-A2BE-B6D012ECCAFE-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>

On 05/16/2010 12:01 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
>> That's what the world looked like in 2006.
>>
>> We could change it, but there's not much point, since having the local apic in the kernel is pretty much a requirement for reasonable performance.
>>      
> Well, I'm not convinced yet that's the case for PPC as well. The timer is in-cpu anyways and I don't see why IPIs should be slow with a userspace pic - if we keep the overhead low.
>    

If it's at all possible keep the mpic out.  I am _not_ advocating 
pushing ppc's mpic into the kernel.

> So let me think this through. With remote interrupt injection we have.
>
> * thread 1 does vcpu_run
> * thread 2 triggers KVM_INTERRUPT on fd
> * thread 2 signals thread 1 so we're sure the interrupt gets injected
> * thread 1 exits into qemu
>    

This doesn't seem necessary.  The kernel can own the interrupt line, so 
it remembers it from the last KVM_INTERRUPT.

> * thread 1 goes back into the vcpu, triggering an interrupt
>
> Without we have:
>
> * thread 1 does vcpu_run
> * thread 2 wants to trigger an an interrupt, sets the qemu internal bit
> * thread 2 signals thread 1 so we're sure the interrupt gets processed
> * thread 1 exits into qemu
> * thread 1 triggers KVM_INTERRUPT on fd
> * thread 1 goes into the vcpu
>
> So we don't really buy anything from doing the remote injection. Hrm.
>    

Not if you make interrupt injection a lightweight exit.

> What's somewhat striking me here though is - why do we need KVM_INTERRUPT when there's all those kvm_run fields? Can't we just do interrupt injection by setting run->trigger_interrupt? There's only a single "interrupt line" on the CPU anyways. That way we'd save the ioctl and get rid of the locking problem altogether.
>    

That's what x86 does.  However, it's synchronous.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Avi Kivity <avi-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti
	<mtosatti-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-ia64-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"kvm-ppc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-ppc-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"carsteno-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org"
	<carsteno-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Consolidate vcpu ioctl locking
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:09:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BEFB666.50107@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DE2111D3-1AC9-45A3-A2BE-B6D012ECCAFE-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>

On 05/16/2010 12:01 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>
>> That's what the world looked like in 2006.
>>
>> We could change it, but there's not much point, since having the local apic in the kernel is pretty much a requirement for reasonable performance.
>>      
> Well, I'm not convinced yet that's the case for PPC as well. The timer is in-cpu anyways and I don't see why IPIs should be slow with a userspace pic - if we keep the overhead low.
>    

If it's at all possible keep the mpic out.  I am _not_ advocating 
pushing ppc's mpic into the kernel.

> So let me think this through. With remote interrupt injection we have.
>
> * thread 1 does vcpu_run
> * thread 2 triggers KVM_INTERRUPT on fd
> * thread 2 signals thread 1 so we're sure the interrupt gets injected
> * thread 1 exits into qemu
>    

This doesn't seem necessary.  The kernel can own the interrupt line, so 
it remembers it from the last KVM_INTERRUPT.

> * thread 1 goes back into the vcpu, triggering an interrupt
>
> Without we have:
>
> * thread 1 does vcpu_run
> * thread 2 wants to trigger an an interrupt, sets the qemu internal bit
> * thread 2 signals thread 1 so we're sure the interrupt gets processed
> * thread 1 exits into qemu
> * thread 1 triggers KVM_INTERRUPT on fd
> * thread 1 goes into the vcpu
>
> So we don't really buy anything from doing the remote injection. Hrm.
>    

Not if you make interrupt injection a lightweight exit.

> What's somewhat striking me here though is - why do we need KVM_INTERRUPT when there's all those kvm_run fields? Can't we just do interrupt injection by setting run->trigger_interrupt? There's only a single "interrupt line" on the CPU anyways. That way we'd save the ioctl and get rid of the locking problem altogether.
>    

That's what x86 does.  However, it's synchronous.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-16  9:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-13 11:17 [PATCH 0/7] Consolidate vcpu ioctl locking Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: move vcpu locking to dispatcher for generic vcpu ioctls Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-15  0:03   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-05-16 11:22   ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: move vcpu locking to dispatcher for generic Avi Kivity
2010-05-16 11:22     ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: move vcpu locking to dispatcher for generic vcpu ioctls Avi Kivity
2010-05-16 11:22     ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: move vcpu locking to dispatcher for generic Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:57 ` [PATCH 0/7] Consolidate vcpu ioctl locking Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 11:57   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 11:57   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 12:01 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:01   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:01   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:03 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:03   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:03   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:03 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:03   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:03   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:18 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 12:18   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 12:18   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 12:29 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:29   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 12:29   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 19:49 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 19:49   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-13 19:49   ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]   ` <B2627FBE-BB5E-45E2-8E67-E5859B6380A5-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-15  6:16     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <4BEE3C56.2070007-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-15  6:21         ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]           ` <F7406BC6-90A8-43B9-A57F-6B9350B6D356-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-15  7:59             ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]               ` <4BEE544B.50405-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-15  8:26                 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-15 17:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-15 17:30   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-15 17:30   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  1:00 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  1:00   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  1:00   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  8:23 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  8:23   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  8:23   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  9:01 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  9:01   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  9:01   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  9:09 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-05-16  9:09   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  9:09   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  9:35 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  9:35   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  9:35   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16  9:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  9:47   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16  9:47   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-16 10:19 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16 10:19   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-16 10:19   ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-21  7:35 ` Carsten Otte
2010-05-21  7:35   ` Carsten Otte
2010-05-21  7:35   ` Carsten Otte
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-13 11:17 [PATCH 1/7] KVM: PPC: Add missing vcpu_load()/vcpu_put() in vcpu ioctls Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 [PATCH 2/7] KVM: x86: Add missing locking to arch specific " Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 [PATCH 4/7] KVM: x86: Lock arch specific vcpu ioctls centrally Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 [PATCH 5/7] KVM: s390: Centrally lock arch specific vcpu ioctls Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 [PATCH 6/7] KVM: PPC: Centralize locking of " Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 [PATCH 7/7] KVM: Consolidate arch specific vcpu ioctl locking Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-13 11:17 ` Avi Kivity

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