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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Christian Brunner <chb@muc.de>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/1] ceph/rbd block driver for qemu-kvm
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:29:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF5A9D2.5080609@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil-aogxdnMallKTDo1bKXj6QmaU0ojJuiZgXaqC@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/20/2010 04:18 PM, Christian Brunner wrote:
> Thanks for your comments. I'll send an updated patch in a few days.
>
> Having a central storage system is quite essential in larger hosting
> environments, it enables you to move your guest systems from one node
> to another easily (live-migration or dynamic restart). Traditionally
> this has been done using SAN, iSCSI or NFS. However most of these
> systems don't scale very well and and the costs for high-availability
> are quite high.
>
> With new approaches like Sheepdog or Ceph, things are getting a lot
> cheaper and you can scale your system without disrupting your service.
> The concepts are quite similar to what Amazon is doing in their EC2
> environment, but they certainly won't publish it as OpenSource anytime
> soon.
>
> Both projects have advantages and disadvantages. Ceph is a bit more
> universal as it implements a whole filesystem. Sheepdog is more
> feature complete in regards of managing images (e.g. snapshots). Both
> projects require some additional work to become stable, but they are
> on a good way.
>
> I would really like to see both drivers in the qemu tree, as they are
> the key to a design shift in how storage in the datacenter is being
> built.
>    

I'd be more interested in enabling people to build these types of 
storage systems without touching qemu.

Both sheepdog and ceph ultimately transmit I/O over a socket to a 
central daemon, right?  So could we not standardize a protocol for this 
that both sheepdog and ceph could implement?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Christian
> --
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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Christian Brunner <chb@muc.de>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/1] ceph/rbd block driver for qemu-kvm
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 16:29:54 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BF5A9D2.5080609@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTil-aogxdnMallKTDo1bKXj6QmaU0ojJuiZgXaqC@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/20/2010 04:18 PM, Christian Brunner wrote:
> Thanks for your comments. I'll send an updated patch in a few days.
>
> Having a central storage system is quite essential in larger hosting
> environments, it enables you to move your guest systems from one node
> to another easily (live-migration or dynamic restart). Traditionally
> this has been done using SAN, iSCSI or NFS. However most of these
> systems don't scale very well and and the costs for high-availability
> are quite high.
>
> With new approaches like Sheepdog or Ceph, things are getting a lot
> cheaper and you can scale your system without disrupting your service.
> The concepts are quite similar to what Amazon is doing in their EC2
> environment, but they certainly won't publish it as OpenSource anytime
> soon.
>
> Both projects have advantages and disadvantages. Ceph is a bit more
> universal as it implements a whole filesystem. Sheepdog is more
> feature complete in regards of managing images (e.g. snapshots). Both
> projects require some additional work to become stable, but they are
> on a good way.
>
> I would really like to see both drivers in the qemu tree, as they are
> the key to a design shift in how storage in the datacenter is being
> built.
>    

I'd be more interested in enabling people to build these types of 
storage systems without touching qemu.

Both sheepdog and ceph ultimately transmit I/O over a socket to a 
central daemon, right?  So could we not standardize a protocol for this 
that both sheepdog and ceph could implement?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Christian
> --
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>    

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-20 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19 19:22 [RFC PATCH 1/1] ceph/rbd block driver for qemu-kvm Christian Brunner
2010-05-19 19:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Christian Brunner
2010-05-20 20:31 ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-20 20:31   ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-20 21:18   ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-20 21:18     ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-20 21:29     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-05-20 21:29       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-20 22:16       ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-20 22:16         ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-21  5:28         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-21  5:28           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-21  6:13           ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-21  6:13             ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-21  5:54         ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-21  5:54           ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-23 12:01       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-23 12:01         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24  7:12         ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24  7:12           ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 11:05           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 11:05             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 11:42             ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 11:42               ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 11:56               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 11:56                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 12:07                 ` Cláudio Martins
2010-05-24 12:07                   ` Cláudio Martins
2010-05-24 14:01                 ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 14:01                   ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24 19:07                   ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-24 19:07                     ` Christian Brunner
2010-05-24 19:38                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-24 19:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25  9:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25  9:14                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:17                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:17                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:25                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:25                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:29                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:29                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:36                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:54                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:54                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:57                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:57                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:02                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 14:02                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-26  8:44                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-26  8:44                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:01                             ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 14:01                               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 16:21                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 16:21                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 17:12                                 ` Sage Weil
2010-05-25 17:12                                   ` Sage Weil
2010-05-25 17:12                                   ` Sage Weil
2010-05-26  5:24                                   ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-26  5:24                                     ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-26  8:46                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-26  8:46                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 19:16                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-24 19:16                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25  9:19                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25  9:19                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:26                   ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-25 13:26                     ` MORITA Kazutaka
2010-05-24  8:27         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-24  8:27           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-24 11:03           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 11:03             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-24 19:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-24 19:19               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25  9:22               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25  9:22                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 11:02         ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 11:02           ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 11:25           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 11:25             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 12:03             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-25 12:03               ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-25 12:13               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 12:13                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:25             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:25               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:31               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:31                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:35                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:35                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:38                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:38                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:55                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 13:55                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 14:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:01                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:05                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 14:05                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 15:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 15:00                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 15:01                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 15:01                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 16:16                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 16:16                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 16:21                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 16:21                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 16:27                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 16:27                                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:53               ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 13:53                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 13:55                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 13:55                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:03                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 14:03                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-05-25 15:02                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 15:02                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 14:09                   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 14:09                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-05-25 15:01                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-25 15:01                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-20 23:02   ` Yehuda Sadeh Weinraub
2010-05-20 23:02     ` Yehuda Sadeh Weinraub
2010-05-23  7:59     ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-23  7:59       ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-24  2:17       ` Yehuda Sadeh Weinraub
2010-05-24  2:17         ` Yehuda Sadeh Weinraub
2010-05-25 20:13         ` Blue Swirl
2010-05-25 20:13           ` [Qemu-devel] " Blue Swirl

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