From: Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: Andy Gospodarek <andy@greyhouse.net>
Cc: Jay Vosburgh <fubar@us.ibm.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, Andy Gospodarek <gospo@redhat.com>,
bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Flavio Leitner <fbl@sysclose.org>, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
bonding-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [v5 Patch 1/3] netpoll: add generic support for bridge and bonding devices
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:38:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C0E0191.1010008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100607130357.GN7497@gospo.rdu.redhat.com>
On 06/07/10 21:03, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 05:57:49PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>> On 06/05/10 03:18, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 06:04:45PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>>>> On 06/02/10 02:42, Jay Vosburgh wrote:
>>>>> Cong Wang<amwang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/01/10 03:08, Flavio Leitner wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:56:52PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Flavio,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please use the attached patch instead, try to see if it solves
>>>>>>>> all your problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried and it hangs. No backtraces this time.
>>>>>>> The bond_change_active_slave() prints before NETDEV_BONDING_FAILOVER
>>>>>>> notification, so I think it won't work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, I thought the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, correct if I'm wrong, but when a failover happens with your
>>>>>>> patch applied, the netconsole would be disabled forever even with
>>>>>>> another healthy slave, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, this is an easy solution, because bonding has several modes,
>>>>>> it is complex to make netpoll work in different modes.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I understand correctly, the root cause of the problem with
>>>>> netconsole and bonding is that bonding is, ultimately, performing
>>>>> printks with a write lock held, and when netconsole recursively calls
>>>>> into bonding to send the printk over the netconsole, there is a deadlock
>>>>> (when the bonding xmit function attempts to acquire the same lock for
>>>>> read).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're trying to avoid the deadlock by shutting off netconsole
>>>>> (permanently, it looks like) for one problem case: a failover, which
>>>>> does some printks with a write lock held.
>>>>>
>>>>> This doesn't look to me like a complete solution, there are
>>>>> other cases in bonding that will do printk with write locks held. I
>>>>> suspect those will also hang netconsole as things exist today, and won't
>>>>> be affected by your patch below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can expect that, bonding modes are complex.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For example:
>>>>>
>>>>> The sysfs functions to set the primary (bonding_store_primary)
>>>>> or active (bonding_store_active_slave) options: a pr_info is called to
>>>>> provide a log message of the results. These could be tested by setting
>>>>> the primary or active options via sysfs, e.g.,
>>>>>
>>>>> echo eth0> /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/primary
>>>>> echo eth0> /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/active
>>>>>
>>>>> If the kernel is defined with DEBUG, there are a few pr_debug
>>>>> calls within write_locks (bond_del_vlan, for example).
>>>>>
>>>>> If the slave's underlying device driver's ndo_vlan_rx_register
>>>>> or ndo_vlan_rx_kill_vid functions call printk (and it looks like some do
>>>>> for error cases, e.g., igbvf, ehea, enic), those would also presumably
>>>>> deadlock (because bonding holds its write_lock when calling the ndo_
>>>>> vlan functions).
>>>>>
>>>>> It also appears that (with the patch below) some nominally
>>>>> normal usage patterns will immediately disable netconsole. The one that
>>>>> comes to mind is if the primary= option is set (to "eth1" for this
>>>>> example), but that slave not enslaved first (the slaves are added, say,
>>>>> eth0 then eth1). In that situation, when the primary slave (eth1 here)
>>>>> is added, the first thing that will happen is a failover, and that will
>>>>> disable netconsole.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your detailed explanation!
>>>>
>>>> This is why I said bonding is complex. I guess we would have to adjust
>>>> netpoll code for different bonding cases, one solution seems not fix all.
>>>> I am not sure how much work to do, since I am not familiar with bonding
>>>> code. Maybe Andy can help?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry I've been silent until now. This does seem quite similar to a
>>> problem I've previously encountered when dealing with bonding+netpoll on
>>> some old 2.6.9-based kernels. There is no guarantee the methods used
>>> there will apply here, but I'll talk about them anyway.
>>>
>>> As Flavio noticed, recursive calls into the bond transmit routines were
>>> not a good idea. I discovered the same and worked around this issue by
>>> checking to see if we could take the bond->lock for writing before
>>> continuing. If we could not get, I wanted to signal that this should be
>>> queued for transmission later. Based on the flow of netpoll_send_skb
>>> (or possibly for another reason that is escaping me right now) I added
>>> one of these checks in bond_poll_controller too. These aren't the
>>> prettiest fixes, but seemed to work well for me when I did this work in
>>> the past. I realize the differences are not that great compared to some
>>> of the patches posted by Flavio, but I think they are worth trying.
>>
>>
>> Hmm, I still feel like this way is ugly, although it may work.
>> I guess David doesn't like it either.
>>
>
> Notice how I referred to it as a work-around? :)
>
> It certainly isn't a great way to resolve the issue, but I wanted to
> offer my opinon on the issue since you asked.
Sorry for my misunderstanding.
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From: Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: Andy Gospodarek <andy@greyhouse.net>
Cc: Jay Vosburgh <fubar@us.ibm.com>,
Flavio Leitner <fbl@sysclose.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Andy Gospodarek <gospo@redhat.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>,
bonding-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [v5 Patch 1/3] netpoll: add generic support for bridge and bonding devices
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 16:38:41 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C0E0191.1010008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100607130357.GN7497@gospo.rdu.redhat.com>
On 06/07/10 21:03, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 05:57:49PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>> On 06/05/10 03:18, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 06:04:45PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>>>> On 06/02/10 02:42, Jay Vosburgh wrote:
>>>>> Cong Wang<amwang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/01/10 03:08, Flavio Leitner wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:56:52PM +0800, Cong Wang wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Flavio,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please use the attached patch instead, try to see if it solves
>>>>>>>> all your problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried and it hangs. No backtraces this time.
>>>>>>> The bond_change_active_slave() prints before NETDEV_BONDING_FAILOVER
>>>>>>> notification, so I think it won't work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, I thought the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, correct if I'm wrong, but when a failover happens with your
>>>>>>> patch applied, the netconsole would be disabled forever even with
>>>>>>> another healthy slave, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, this is an easy solution, because bonding has several modes,
>>>>>> it is complex to make netpoll work in different modes.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I understand correctly, the root cause of the problem with
>>>>> netconsole and bonding is that bonding is, ultimately, performing
>>>>> printks with a write lock held, and when netconsole recursively calls
>>>>> into bonding to send the printk over the netconsole, there is a deadlock
>>>>> (when the bonding xmit function attempts to acquire the same lock for
>>>>> read).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You're trying to avoid the deadlock by shutting off netconsole
>>>>> (permanently, it looks like) for one problem case: a failover, which
>>>>> does some printks with a write lock held.
>>>>>
>>>>> This doesn't look to me like a complete solution, there are
>>>>> other cases in bonding that will do printk with write locks held. I
>>>>> suspect those will also hang netconsole as things exist today, and won't
>>>>> be affected by your patch below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can expect that, bonding modes are complex.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For example:
>>>>>
>>>>> The sysfs functions to set the primary (bonding_store_primary)
>>>>> or active (bonding_store_active_slave) options: a pr_info is called to
>>>>> provide a log message of the results. These could be tested by setting
>>>>> the primary or active options via sysfs, e.g.,
>>>>>
>>>>> echo eth0> /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/primary
>>>>> echo eth0> /sys/class/net/bond0/bonding/active
>>>>>
>>>>> If the kernel is defined with DEBUG, there are a few pr_debug
>>>>> calls within write_locks (bond_del_vlan, for example).
>>>>>
>>>>> If the slave's underlying device driver's ndo_vlan_rx_register
>>>>> or ndo_vlan_rx_kill_vid functions call printk (and it looks like some do
>>>>> for error cases, e.g., igbvf, ehea, enic), those would also presumably
>>>>> deadlock (because bonding holds its write_lock when calling the ndo_
>>>>> vlan functions).
>>>>>
>>>>> It also appears that (with the patch below) some nominally
>>>>> normal usage patterns will immediately disable netconsole. The one that
>>>>> comes to mind is if the primary= option is set (to "eth1" for this
>>>>> example), but that slave not enslaved first (the slaves are added, say,
>>>>> eth0 then eth1). In that situation, when the primary slave (eth1 here)
>>>>> is added, the first thing that will happen is a failover, and that will
>>>>> disable netconsole.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your detailed explanation!
>>>>
>>>> This is why I said bonding is complex. I guess we would have to adjust
>>>> netpoll code for different bonding cases, one solution seems not fix all.
>>>> I am not sure how much work to do, since I am not familiar with bonding
>>>> code. Maybe Andy can help?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry I've been silent until now. This does seem quite similar to a
>>> problem I've previously encountered when dealing with bonding+netpoll on
>>> some old 2.6.9-based kernels. There is no guarantee the methods used
>>> there will apply here, but I'll talk about them anyway.
>>>
>>> As Flavio noticed, recursive calls into the bond transmit routines were
>>> not a good idea. I discovered the same and worked around this issue by
>>> checking to see if we could take the bond->lock for writing before
>>> continuing. If we could not get, I wanted to signal that this should be
>>> queued for transmission later. Based on the flow of netpoll_send_skb
>>> (or possibly for another reason that is escaping me right now) I added
>>> one of these checks in bond_poll_controller too. These aren't the
>>> prettiest fixes, but seemed to work well for me when I did this work in
>>> the past. I realize the differences are not that great compared to some
>>> of the patches posted by Flavio, but I think they are worth trying.
>>
>>
>> Hmm, I still feel like this way is ugly, although it may work.
>> I guess David doesn't like it either.
>>
>
> Notice how I referred to it as a work-around? :)
>
> It certainly isn't a great way to resolve the issue, but I wanted to
> offer my opinon on the issue since you asked.
Sorry for my misunderstanding.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-06-08 8:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-05 8:11 [Bridge] [v5 Patch 1/3] netpoll: add generic support for bridge and bonding devices Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` [Bridge] [v5 Patch 2/3] bridge: make bridge support netpoll Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` [Bridge] [v5 Patch 3/3] bonding: make bonding " Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` Amerigo Wang
2010-05-05 8:11 ` Amerigo Wang
2010-05-06 2:05 ` [Bridge] [v5 Patch 1/3] netpoll: add generic support for bridge and bonding devices Matt Mackall
2010-05-06 2:05 ` Matt Mackall
2010-05-06 7:44 ` [Bridge] " David Miller
2010-05-06 7:44 ` David Miller
2010-05-07 3:24 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-05-07 3:24 ` Cong Wang
2010-05-27 18:05 ` [Bridge] " Flavio Leitner
2010-05-27 18:05 ` Flavio Leitner
2010-05-27 20:35 ` [Bridge] " David Miller
2010-05-27 20:35 ` David Miller
2010-05-27 21:25 ` [Bridge] " Flavio Leitner
2010-05-27 21:25 ` Flavio Leitner
2010-05-28 2:47 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-05-28 2:47 ` Cong Wang
2010-05-28 19:40 ` [Bridge] " Flavio Leitner
2010-05-28 19:40 ` Flavio Leitner
2010-05-31 5:56 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-05-31 5:56 ` Cong Wang
2010-05-31 19:08 ` [Bridge] " Flavio Leitner
2010-05-31 19:08 ` Flavio Leitner
2010-06-01 9:57 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-06-01 9:57 ` Cong Wang
2010-06-01 18:42 ` [Bridge] " Jay Vosburgh
2010-06-01 18:42 ` Jay Vosburgh
2010-06-02 10:04 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-06-02 10:04 ` Cong Wang
2010-06-04 19:18 ` [Bridge] " Andy Gospodarek
2010-06-04 19:18 ` Andy Gospodarek
2010-06-07 9:57 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-06-07 9:57 ` Cong Wang
2010-06-07 10:01 ` [Bridge] " David Miller
2010-06-07 10:01 ` David Miller
2010-06-08 8:36 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-06-08 8:36 ` Cong Wang
2010-06-07 13:03 ` [Bridge] " Andy Gospodarek
2010-06-07 13:03 ` Andy Gospodarek
2010-06-08 8:38 ` Cong Wang [this message]
2010-06-08 8:38 ` Cong Wang
2010-06-07 19:24 ` [Bridge] [PATCH] netconsole: queue console messages to send later Flavio Leitner
2010-06-07 19:24 ` Flavio Leitner
2010-06-07 19:50 ` [Bridge] " Matt Mackall
2010-06-07 19:50 ` Matt Mackall
2010-06-07 20:00 ` [Bridge] " Stephen Hemminger
2010-06-07 20:00 ` Stephen Hemminger
2010-06-07 20:21 ` [Bridge] " Matt Mackall
2010-06-07 20:21 ` Matt Mackall
2010-06-07 23:52 ` [Bridge] " David Miller
2010-06-07 23:52 ` David Miller
2010-06-07 23:50 ` [Bridge] " David Miller
2010-06-07 23:50 ` David Miller
2010-06-08 0:37 ` [Bridge] " Flavio Leitner
2010-06-08 0:37 ` Flavio Leitner
2010-06-08 8:59 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-06-08 8:59 ` Cong Wang
2010-05-28 8:16 ` [Bridge] [v5 Patch 1/3] netpoll: add generic support for bridge and bonding devices Cong Wang
2010-05-28 8:16 ` Cong Wang
2010-05-28 20:42 ` [Bridge] " Flavio Leitner
2010-05-28 20:42 ` Flavio Leitner
2010-05-28 21:03 ` [Bridge] " Jay Vosburgh
2010-05-28 21:03 ` Jay Vosburgh
2010-05-31 5:29 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-05-31 5:29 ` Cong Wang
2010-05-31 5:37 ` [Bridge] " Cong Wang
2010-05-31 5:37 ` Cong Wang
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