From: Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
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Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:06:01 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C49E111.2000106@vflare.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c979fa45-8878-4e40-9060-c3e929eebbab@default>
On 07/23/2010 11:07 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> From: Dan Magenheimer
>> Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
>>
>>> From: Christoph Hellwig [mailto:hch@infradead.org]
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>>> CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
>>>> not been resolved, please speak up.
>>
>> Hi Christoph --
>>
>> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
>>
>>> Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
>>> broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
>>> one.
>>
>> Unless/until all filesystems are 100% built on top of VFS,
>> I have to disagree. Abstractions (e.g. VFS) are never perfect.
>
> After thinking about this some more, I can see a way
> to enforce "opt-in" in the cleancache backend without
> any changes to non-generic fs code. I think it's a horrible
> hack and we can try it, but I expect fs maintainers
> would prefer the explicit one-line-patch opt-in.
>
> 1) Cleancache backend maintains a list of "known working"
> filesystems (those that have been tested).
Checks against "known working list" indeed looks horrible.
Isn't there any way to identify pagecache -> disk I/O boundaries
which every filesystem obeys? I'm not yet sure but if this is
doable, then we won't require such hacks.
>
> 2) Nitin's proposed changes pass the *sb as a parameter.
> The string name of the filesystem type is available via
> sb->s_type->name. This can be compared against
> the "known working" list.
>
sb->s_magic could also be used, or better if we can somehow
get rid of these checks :)
> Using the sb pointer as a "handle" requires an extra
> table search on every cleancache get/put/flush,
> and fs/super.c changes are required for fs unmount
> notification anyway (e.g. to call cleancache_flush_fs)
> so I'd prefer to keep the cleancache_poolid addition
> to the sb. I'll assume this is OK since this is in generic
> fs code.
>
I will also try making changes to cleancache so it does not
touch any fs specific code. Though IMHO one liners to fs-code
should really be acceptable but unfortunately this doesn't seem
to be the case. Maybe generic cleancache will have better
chances.
Thanks,
Nitin
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From: Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:06:01 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C49E111.2000106@vflare.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c979fa45-8878-4e40-9060-c3e929eebbab@default>
On 07/23/2010 11:07 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> From: Dan Magenheimer
>> Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
>>
>>> From: Christoph Hellwig [mailto:hch at infradead.org]
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>>> CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
>>>> not been resolved, please speak up.
>>
>> Hi Christoph --
>>
>> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
>>
>>> Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
>>> broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
>>> one.
>>
>> Unless/until all filesystems are 100% built on top of VFS,
>> I have to disagree. Abstractions (e.g. VFS) are never perfect.
>
> After thinking about this some more, I can see a way
> to enforce "opt-in" in the cleancache backend without
> any changes to non-generic fs code. I think it's a horrible
> hack and we can try it, but I expect fs maintainers
> would prefer the explicit one-line-patch opt-in.
>
> 1) Cleancache backend maintains a list of "known working"
> filesystems (those that have been tested).
Checks against "known working list" indeed looks horrible.
Isn't there any way to identify pagecache -> disk I/O boundaries
which every filesystem obeys? I'm not yet sure but if this is
doable, then we won't require such hacks.
>
> 2) Nitin's proposed changes pass the *sb as a parameter.
> The string name of the filesystem type is available via
> sb->s_type->name. This can be compared against
> the "known working" list.
>
sb->s_magic could also be used, or better if we can somehow
get rid of these checks :)
> Using the sb pointer as a "handle" requires an extra
> table search on every cleancache get/put/flush,
> and fs/super.c changes are required for fs unmount
> notification anyway (e.g. to call cleancache_flush_fs)
> so I'd prefer to keep the cleancache_poolid addition
> to the sb. I'll assume this is OK since this is in generic
> fs code.
>
I will also try making changes to cleancache so it does not
touch any fs specific code. Though IMHO one liners to fs-code
should really be acceptable but unfortunately this doesn't seem
to be the case. Maybe generic cleancache will have better
chances.
Thanks,
Nitin
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:06:01 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C49E111.2000106@vflare.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c979fa45-8878-4e40-9060-c3e929eebbab@default>
On 07/23/2010 11:07 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> From: Dan Magenheimer
>> Subject: RE: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
>>
>>> From: Christoph Hellwig [mailto:hch@infradead.org]
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>>> CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
>>>> not been resolved, please speak up.
>>
>> Hi Christoph --
>>
>> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
>>
>>> Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
>>> broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
>>> one.
>>
>> Unless/until all filesystems are 100% built on top of VFS,
>> I have to disagree. Abstractions (e.g. VFS) are never perfect.
>
> After thinking about this some more, I can see a way
> to enforce "opt-in" in the cleancache backend without
> any changes to non-generic fs code. I think it's a horrible
> hack and we can try it, but I expect fs maintainers
> would prefer the explicit one-line-patch opt-in.
>
> 1) Cleancache backend maintains a list of "known working"
> filesystems (those that have been tested).
Checks against "known working list" indeed looks horrible.
Isn't there any way to identify pagecache -> disk I/O boundaries
which every filesystem obeys? I'm not yet sure but if this is
doable, then we won't require such hacks.
>
> 2) Nitin's proposed changes pass the *sb as a parameter.
> The string name of the filesystem type is available via
> sb->s_type->name. This can be compared against
> the "known working" list.
>
sb->s_magic could also be used, or better if we can somehow
get rid of these checks :)
> Using the sb pointer as a "handle" requires an extra
> table search on every cleancache get/put/flush,
> and fs/super.c changes are required for fs unmount
> notification anyway (e.g. to call cleancache_flush_fs)
> so I'd prefer to keep the cleancache_poolid addition
> to the sb. I'll assume this is OK since this is in generic
> fs code.
>
I will also try making changes to cleancache so it does not
touch any fs specific code. Though IMHO one liners to fs-code
should really be acceptable but unfortunately this doesn't seem
to be the case. Maybe generic cleancache will have better
chances.
Thanks,
Nitin
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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-21 23:18 [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-22 6:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22 6:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22 6:40 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-06 20:58 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-06 20:58 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-06 20:58 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-23 7:36 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 7:36 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 7:36 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 8:16 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 8:16 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 8:16 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 8:16 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 14:56 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 14:56 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 14:56 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 8:17 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 8:17 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 8:17 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 8:17 ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 13:58 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 13:58 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 13:58 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:04 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:44 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 15:05 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 15:05 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 15:05 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 17:43 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 18:36 ` Nitin Gupta [this message]
2010-07-23 18:36 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 18:36 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 21:17 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 16:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 16:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 16:22 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 17:35 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 18:34 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 19:09 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09 ` Dan Magenheimer
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