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From: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	ngupta@vflare.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
	matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:22:36 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C58424C.1020208@panasas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc254547-5926-4cb9-98e1-7a79f7284e30@default>

On 07/24/2010 12:17 AM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>>> CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
>>>> not been resolved, please speak up.
>>
>> Hi Christoph --
>>
>> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
>>
>>> Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
>>> broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
>>> one.
>>
>> No, the per-fs opt-in is very sensible; and its design is
>> very minimal.
> 
> Not to belabor the point, but maybe the right way to think about
> this is:
> 
> Cleancache is a new optional feature provided by the VFS layer
> that potentially dramatically increases page cache effectiveness
> for many workloads in many environments at a negligible cost.
> 
> Filesystems that are well-behaved and conform to certain restrictions
> can utilize cleancache simply by making a call to cleancache_init_fs
> at mount time.  Unusual, misbehaving, or poorly layered filesystems
> must either add additional hooks and/or undergo extensive additional
> testing... or should just not enable the optional cleancache.

OK, So I maintain a filesystem in Kernel. How do I know if my FS
is not "Unusual, misbehaving, or poorly layered"

Thanks
Boaz

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From: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	ngupta@vflare.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
	matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:22:36 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C58424C.1020208@panasas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc254547-5926-4cb9-98e1-7a79f7284e30@default>

On 07/24/2010 12:17 AM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>>> CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
>>>> not been resolved, please speak up.
>>
>> Hi Christoph --
>>
>> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
>>
>>> Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
>>> broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
>>> one.
>>
>> No, the per-fs opt-in is very sensible; and its design is
>> very minimal.
> 
> Not to belabor the point, but maybe the right way to think about
> this is:
> 
> Cleancache is a new optional feature provided by the VFS layer
> that potentially dramatically increases page cache effectiveness
> for many workloads in many environments at a negligible cost.
> 
> Filesystems that are well-behaved and conform to certain restrictions
> can utilize cleancache simply by making a call to cleancache_init_fs
> at mount time.  Unusual, misbehaving, or poorly layered filesystems
> must either add additional hooks and/or undergo extensive additional
> testing... or should just not enable the optional cleancache.

OK, So I maintain a filesystem in Kernel. How do I know if my FS
is not "Unusual, misbehaving, or poorly layered"

Thanks
Boaz

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Boaz Harrosh <bharrosh@panasas.com>
To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	ngupta@vflare.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger@sun.com, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, Joel Becker <joel.becker@oracle.com>,
	matthew@wil.cx, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, jeremy@goop.org, JBeulich@novell.com,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@suse.de, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:22:36 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C58424C.1020208@panasas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc254547-5926-4cb9-98e1-7a79f7284e30@default>

On 07/24/2010 12:17 AM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:58:03AM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>>> CHRISTOPH AND ANDREW, if you disagree and your concerns have
>>>> not been resolved, please speak up.
>>
>> Hi Christoph --
>>
>> Thanks very much for the quick (instantaneous?) reply!
>>
>>> Anything that need modification of a normal non-shared fs is utterly
>>> broken and you'll get a clear NAK, so the propsal before is a good
>>> one.
>>
>> No, the per-fs opt-in is very sensible; and its design is
>> very minimal.
> 
> Not to belabor the point, but maybe the right way to think about
> this is:
> 
> Cleancache is a new optional feature provided by the VFS layer
> that potentially dramatically increases page cache effectiveness
> for many workloads in many environments at a negligible cost.
> 
> Filesystems that are well-behaved and conform to certain restrictions
> can utilize cleancache simply by making a call to cleancache_init_fs
> at mount time.  Unusual, misbehaving, or poorly layered filesystems
> must either add additional hooks and/or undergo extensive additional
> testing... or should just not enable the optional cleancache.

OK, So I maintain a filesystem in Kernel. How do I know if my FS
is not "Unusual, misbehaving, or poorly layered"

Thanks
Boaz

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-03 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-21 23:18 [Ocfs2-devel] [PATCH V3 0/8] Cleancache: overview Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-22  6:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22  6:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-22  6:40   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-06 20:58 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-06 20:58   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-06 20:58   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-07-23  7:36 ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  7:36   ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  7:36   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  8:16   ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:16     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:16     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:16     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 14:56     ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 14:56       ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 14:56       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23  8:17   ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:17     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:17     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Minchan Kim
2010-07-23  8:17     ` Minchan Kim
2010-07-23 13:58   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 13:58     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 13:58     ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:04     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:04       ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-23 14:44       ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44         ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 14:44         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 15:05         ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 15:05           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 15:05           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 17:43           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:43             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 17:37           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 18:36           ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 18:36             ` Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 18:36             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Nitin Gupta
2010-07-23 21:17         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17           ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-07-23 21:17           ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 16:22           ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2010-08-03 16:22             ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 16:22             ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Boaz Harrosh
2010-08-03 17:35             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35               ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 17:35               ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 18:34               ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34                 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34                 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 18:34                 ` Andreas Dilger
2010-08-03 19:09                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09                   ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Dan Magenheimer
2010-08-03 19:09                   ` Dan Magenheimer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-21 23:18 Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 Dan Magenheimer
2010-06-21 23:18 Dan Magenheimer
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