From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@amd.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] qemu-kvm: Add svm cpuid features
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:01:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8C88D8.90705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80A3FA90-7AF7-4733-B416-5FF21BCC877A@suse.de>
On 09/12/2010 09:16 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>
>>> Depends on which Phenom you have. A Phenom II has NRIPSAVE but the old
>>> Phenoms don't have it. For the SVM features it is not that important
>>> what the host hardware supports but what KVM can emulate. VMCBCLEAN can
>>> be emulated without supporting it in the host for example.
>> Well, let's have a phenom2 type for those new features (and any other features the phenom 2 has). What's the point of using the name of existing hardware if it doesn't match that hardware?
> Isn't that what cpu=host is there for? I don't want to see cpu type cluttering like we have it on ppc. I added the core2duo type for Mac OS X guests for which those are basically the oldest supported CPUs.
-cpu host is to all supported features into your guest.
-cpu phenom is to pretend you are running on a phenom cpu. This is
useful for a migration farm for which the greatest common denominator is
a phenom.
Those are separate use cases.
> For the Phenom type, I honestly don't remember why, but there was also a good reason to add it. In fact, I use it today to have nested virt without -cpu host on hardware that's too new for my guests.
Curious, what guests balk at modern hardware but are fine with phenom?
> Either way, I don't think we need a phenom2 type. The features additional are minor enough to not really matter and all use cases I can come up with require either -cpu host (local virt) or -cpu phenom (migration).
I'm fine with this (or with adding phenom2). But don't make phenom
contain flags that real phenoms don't have.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@amd.com>,
Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] qemu-kvm: Add svm cpuid features
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:01:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C8C88D8.90705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80A3FA90-7AF7-4733-B416-5FF21BCC877A@suse.de>
On 09/12/2010 09:16 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>
>>> Depends on which Phenom you have. A Phenom II has NRIPSAVE but the old
>>> Phenoms don't have it. For the SVM features it is not that important
>>> what the host hardware supports but what KVM can emulate. VMCBCLEAN can
>>> be emulated without supporting it in the host for example.
>> Well, let's have a phenom2 type for those new features (and any other features the phenom 2 has). What's the point of using the name of existing hardware if it doesn't match that hardware?
> Isn't that what cpu=host is there for? I don't want to see cpu type cluttering like we have it on ppc. I added the core2duo type for Mac OS X guests for which those are basically the oldest supported CPUs.
-cpu host is to all supported features into your guest.
-cpu phenom is to pretend you are running on a phenom cpu. This is
useful for a migration farm for which the greatest common denominator is
a phenom.
Those are separate use cases.
> For the Phenom type, I honestly don't remember why, but there was also a good reason to add it. In fact, I use it today to have nested virt without -cpu host on hardware that's too new for my guests.
Curious, what guests balk at modern hardware but are fine with phenom?
> Either way, I don't think we need a phenom2 type. The features additional are minor enough to not really matter and all use cases I can come up with require either -cpu host (local virt) or -cpu phenom (migration).
I'm fine with this (or with adding phenom2). But don't make phenom
contain flags that real phenoms don't have.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-12 8:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-10 15:38 [PATCH 0/2] Add SVM feature flags to qemu Joerg Roedel
2010-09-10 15:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Joerg Roedel
2010-09-10 15:38 ` [PATCH 1/2] qemu-kvm: Set cpuid definition to 0 before initializing it Joerg Roedel
2010-09-10 15:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Joerg Roedel
2010-09-10 15:38 ` [PATCH 2/2] qemu-kvm: Add svm cpuid features Joerg Roedel
2010-09-10 15:38 ` [Qemu-devel] " Joerg Roedel
2010-09-11 13:43 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-11 13:43 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-11 14:20 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-11 14:20 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-11 14:29 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-11 14:29 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-11 14:36 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-11 14:36 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-11 14:38 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-11 14:38 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-11 14:42 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-11 14:42 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-11 14:45 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-11 14:45 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-12 6:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 6:05 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 7:16 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-12 7:16 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-12 8:01 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-09-12 8:01 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 10:06 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-12 10:06 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-12 10:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 10:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 11:14 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-12 11:14 ` Alexander Graf
2010-09-12 12:02 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 12:02 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 14:30 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-12 14:30 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-09-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
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2010-09-18 22:16 garymberger
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