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From: holler@ahsoftware.de (Alexander Holler)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:25:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DFA58B4.5030101@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106161955.50972.arnd@arndb.de>

Am 16.06.2011 19:55, schrieb Arnd Bergmann:
> On Thursday 16 June 2011, Alan Stern wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>
>>> In commit 139540170d9d9b7ead3caaf540f161756b356d56 the attribute
>>> packed is removed from the structs which are used to access the EHCI-registers.
>>>
>>> This is done to circumvent a problem with gcc 4.6, which might access members of
>>> packed structs on a byte by byte basis. But using packed, aligned(4) fixes that
>>> too and is imho the better solution. Otherwise (without packed) the compiler would be free
>>> to choose whatever alignment he thinks fits best, which might be e.g. 8-byte on 64-bit machines.
>>
>> Is that really true?
>
> No.
>
>> I thought the compiler was not allowed to insert
>> padding if the natural alignment of the data types didn't require any.
>
> It's architecture dependent. The alignment of the structure is the maximum alignment
> of its members, so it gets to be 8 bytes if there is a 64 bit member in the struct
> on most architectures, but 4 bytes on x86.

Hmm, sorry, but that sentence just says something about the alignment of 
the structure itself and nothing about the alignment of it's members or 
do I understand something wrong?

I've had a look at c99 again, and in addition to the two points in c99 I 
mentioned in the mail before (6.7.2.1 13 and 6.7.2.1. 15), I've only 
found the following on that topic:

6.7.2.1 12  Each non-bit-?eld member of a structure or union object is 
aligned in an implementationde?ned manner appropriate to its type.

And, under "J.1 Unspecified behaviour":

Many aspects of the representations of types (6.2.6).

I even haven't found anything which says something about the alignment 
of a structure itself. But I'm no compiler expert and I look only seldom 
at c99 and usually try to avoid such aspects as the one we are talking 
about. ;)

For me that means that I understand that when packed(,aligned(4)) is 
used, it's pretty sure, that there is no padding inbetween the members 
of e.g. struct ehci_regs. But without I'm unsure, so I would avoid that.

That aligned(4) is necessary (for ARM) is only a workaround because of 
the implementation of readl(), at least that is how I understood the 
discussion. But that is discussed elsewhere and don't want to take part 
in that discussion (and can't).

Regards,

Alexander

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	gregkh@suse.de, Rabin Vincent <rabin@rab.in>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:25:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4DFA58B4.5030101@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106161955.50972.arnd@arndb.de>

Am 16.06.2011 19:55, schrieb Arnd Bergmann:
> On Thursday 16 June 2011, Alan Stern wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>
>>> In commit 139540170d9d9b7ead3caaf540f161756b356d56 the attribute
>>> packed is removed from the structs which are used to access the EHCI-registers.
>>>
>>> This is done to circumvent a problem with gcc 4.6, which might access members of
>>> packed structs on a byte by byte basis. But using packed, aligned(4) fixes that
>>> too and is imho the better solution. Otherwise (without packed) the compiler would be free
>>> to choose whatever alignment he thinks fits best, which might be e.g. 8-byte on 64-bit machines.
>>
>> Is that really true?
>
> No.
>
>> I thought the compiler was not allowed to insert
>> padding if the natural alignment of the data types didn't require any.
>
> It's architecture dependent. The alignment of the structure is the maximum alignment
> of its members, so it gets to be 8 bytes if there is a 64 bit member in the struct
> on most architectures, but 4 bytes on x86.

Hmm, sorry, but that sentence just says something about the alignment of 
the structure itself and nothing about the alignment of it's members or 
do I understand something wrong?

I've had a look at c99 again, and in addition to the two points in c99 I 
mentioned in the mail before (6.7.2.1 13 and 6.7.2.1. 15), I've only 
found the following on that topic:

6.7.2.1 12  Each non-bit-field member of a structure or union object is 
aligned in an implementationdefined manner appropriate to its type.

And, under "J.1 Unspecified behaviour":

Many aspects of the representations of types (6.2.6).

I even haven't found anything which says something about the alignment 
of a structure itself. But I'm no compiler expert and I look only seldom 
at c99 and usually try to avoid such aspects as the one we are talking 
about. ;)

For me that means that I understand that when packed(,aligned(4)) is 
used, it's pretty sure, that there is no padding inbetween the members 
of e.g. struct ehci_regs. But without I'm unsure, so I would avoid that.

That aligned(4) is necessary (for ARM) is only a workaround because of 
the implementation of readl(), at least that is how I understood the 
discussion. But that is discussed elsewhere and don't want to take part 
in that discussion (and can't).

Regards,

Alexander


  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-16 19:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-27 14:34 [PATCH] echi: remove structure packing from ehci_def Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 14:34 ` Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:15 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:15   ` Sergei Shtylyov
2011-04-27 15:37   ` [PATCHv2] " Rabin Vincent
2011-04-27 15:37     ` Rabin Vincent
2011-06-16 16:17     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) instead of removing the packed attribute Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 16:17       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 17:09       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:09         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 17:55         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 17:55           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 19:25           ` Alexander Holler [this message]
2011-06-16 19:25             ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 19:46             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 19:46               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:10               ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:10                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 20:20                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:20                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 15:02                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 15:02                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 19:00                     ` Alan Stern
2011-06-19 19:00                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-19 20:02                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:02                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 20:11                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 21:39                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:39                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-19 21:27                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 15:03                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 15:03                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:16                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:16                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 16:48                             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:48                               ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 16:58                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:58                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:02                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:02                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:20                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:29                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:10                                 ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 17:35                                 ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:35                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:48                                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 18:48                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:26                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:26                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:50                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:50                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:55                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:55                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 21:23                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 22:23                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:23                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 11:25                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-21 11:25                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-25  1:25                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-25  8:09                                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-28 18:51                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-29 10:56                                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 19:14                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:14                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:32                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 19:32                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-20 20:14                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:14                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:42                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:36                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:36                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 15:06                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-21 15:06                                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 17:39                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 17:39                                   ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:39                                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:39                                     ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:46                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:46                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 18:57                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 18:57                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 19:56                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 19:56                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:04                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:04                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 22:31                                         ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 22:31                                           ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 14:58                                           ` Alan Stern
2011-06-21 14:58                                             ` Alan Stern
2011-06-21 20:41                                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-21 20:41                                               ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-22  6:23                                               ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-22  6:23                                                 ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 20:09                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:09                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:05                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 21:05                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-20 20:07                                   ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:07                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:28                                     ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:28                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 20:39                                       ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed, aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 20:39                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 21:03                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 21:03                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-23  9:47                                     ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23  9:47                                       ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-23 14:25                                       ` Alan Stern
2011-06-23 14:25                                         ` Alan Stern
2011-06-24 11:40                                         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-24 11:40                                           ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-20 16:26                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-20 16:26                             ` [PATCH] USB: ehci: use packed,aligned(4) " Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-16 20:30                 ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 20:30                   ` Alan Stern
2011-06-16 18:16         ` Alexander Holler
2011-06-16 18:16           ` Alexander Holler

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