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From: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:17:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4DFB37.8060208@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F4DF913.5030809@redhat.com>

At 02/29/2012 06:08 PM, Avi Kivity Wrote:
> On 02/29/2012 12:05 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:00:41PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 02/29/2012 11:55 AM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How about using a virtio-serial channel for this?  You can transfer any
>>>>> amount of information (including the dump itself).
>>>>>
>>>> Isn't it unreliable after the guest panicked? 
>>>
>>> So is calling hypercalls, or dumping, or writing to the screen.  Of
>>> course calling a hypercall is simpler and so is more reliable.
>>>
>> Yes, crash can be so severe that it is not even detected by a kernel
>> itself, so not OOPS message even printed. But in most cases if kernel is
>> functional enough to print OOPS it is functional enough to call single
>> hypercall instruction.
> 
> Why not print the oops to virtio-serial?  Or even just a regular serial
> port?  That's what bare metal does.

If virtio-serial's driver has bug or the guest doesn't have such device...

> 
>>>> Having special kdump
>>>> kernel that transfers dump to a host via virtio-serial channel though
>>>> sounds interesting. May be that's what you mean.
>>>
>>> Yes.  The "panic, starting dump" signal should be initiated by the
>>> panicking kernel though, in case the dump fails.
>>>
>> Then panic hypercall sounds like a reasonable solution.
> 
> It is, but I'm trying to see if we can get away with doing nothing.
> 

If we have a reliable way with doing nothing, it is better. But I donot
find such way.

Thanks
Wen Congyang

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From: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:17:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4DFB37.8060208@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F4DF913.5030809@redhat.com>

At 02/29/2012 06:08 PM, Avi Kivity Wrote:
> On 02/29/2012 12:05 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:00:41PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 02/29/2012 11:55 AM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How about using a virtio-serial channel for this?  You can transfer any
>>>>> amount of information (including the dump itself).
>>>>>
>>>> Isn't it unreliable after the guest panicked? 
>>>
>>> So is calling hypercalls, or dumping, or writing to the screen.  Of
>>> course calling a hypercall is simpler and so is more reliable.
>>>
>> Yes, crash can be so severe that it is not even detected by a kernel
>> itself, so not OOPS message even printed. But in most cases if kernel is
>> functional enough to print OOPS it is functional enough to call single
>> hypercall instruction.
> 
> Why not print the oops to virtio-serial?  Or even just a regular serial
> port?  That's what bare metal does.

If virtio-serial's driver has bug or the guest doesn't have such device...

> 
>>>> Having special kdump
>>>> kernel that transfers dump to a host via virtio-serial channel though
>>>> sounds interesting. May be that's what you mean.
>>>
>>> Yes.  The "panic, starting dump" signal should be initiated by the
>>> panicking kernel though, in case the dump fails.
>>>
>> Then panic hypercall sounds like a reasonable solution.
> 
> It is, but I'm trying to see if we can get away with doing nothing.
> 

If we have a reliable way with doing nothing, it is better. But I donot
find such way.

Thanks
Wen Congyang

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-29 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-27  3:01 [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced Wen Congyang
2012-02-27  3:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-27  3:05 ` [PATCH]qemu: deal with guest paniced event Wen Congyang
2012-02-27  3:05   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-27  8:59   ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27  8:59     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27  8:59     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-01 16:51   ` [Qemu-devel] " Luiz Capitulino
2012-03-01 16:51     ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-03-02  0:40     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-02  0:40       ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-27 15:08 ` [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27 15:08   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28  5:26   ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  5:26     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  5:26     ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  8:07     ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  8:07       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  8:23   ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  8:23     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  9:34     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28  9:34       ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28  9:34       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28  9:42       ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28  9:42         ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 10:19         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 10:19           ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 10:45           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-28 10:45             ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29  1:08             ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29  1:08               ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29  9:36               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29  9:36                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:06                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:06                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 11:23 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-28 11:23   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29  1:29   ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29  1:29     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29  1:29     ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29  9:49     ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29  9:49       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29  9:55       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29  9:55         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:00         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:00           ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:00           ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:05           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:05             ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:08             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:08               ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:17               ` Wen Congyang [this message]
2012-02-29 10:17                 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:39                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:39                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-03-01  3:34                   ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-01  3:34                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-03-01  3:34                     ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-01  5:21                   ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-01  5:21                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:44               ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:44                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:48                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:48                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:52                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:52                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29  9:58       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29  9:58         ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29 10:05         ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:05           ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:19           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29 10:19             ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29 10:44             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:44               ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:31           ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:31             ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:31             ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:46             ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:46               ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:46               ` Avi Kivity

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