From: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 13:21:29 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4F0759.6040106@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F4E0061.1050508@redhat.com>
At 02/29/2012 06:39 PM, Avi Kivity Wrote:
> On 02/29/2012 12:17 PM, Wen Congyang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, crash can be so severe that it is not even detected by a kernel
>>>> itself, so not OOPS message even printed. But in most cases if kernel is
>>>> functional enough to print OOPS it is functional enough to call single
>>>> hypercall instruction.
>>>
>>> Why not print the oops to virtio-serial? Or even just a regular serial
>>> port? That's what bare metal does.
>>
>> If virtio-serial's driver has bug or the guest doesn't have such device...
>
> We have the same issue with the hypercall; and virtio-serial is
> available on many deployed versions.
virtio-serial is available, but it is an optional device. If the guest does
not have this device, the guest cannot tell the host that is is paniced. So
I still prefer to touch the hypervisor.
Thanks
Wen Congyang
>
>>>
>>>>>> Having special kdump
>>>>>> kernel that transfers dump to a host via virtio-serial channel though
>>>>>> sounds interesting. May be that's what you mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. The "panic, starting dump" signal should be initiated by the
>>>>> panicking kernel though, in case the dump fails.
>>>>>
>>>> Then panic hypercall sounds like a reasonable solution.
>>>
>>> It is, but I'm trying to see if we can get away with doing nothing.
>>>
>>
>> If we have a reliable way with doing nothing, it is better. But I donot
>> find such way.
>
> We won't have a 100% reliable way. But I think a variant of the driver
> that doesn't use interrupts, or just using the ordinary serial driver,
> should be reliable enough.
>
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From: Wen Congyang <wency@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 13:21:29 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4F0759.6040106@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F4E0061.1050508@redhat.com>
At 02/29/2012 06:39 PM, Avi Kivity Wrote:
> On 02/29/2012 12:17 PM, Wen Congyang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, crash can be so severe that it is not even detected by a kernel
>>>> itself, so not OOPS message even printed. But in most cases if kernel is
>>>> functional enough to print OOPS it is functional enough to call single
>>>> hypercall instruction.
>>>
>>> Why not print the oops to virtio-serial? Or even just a regular serial
>>> port? That's what bare metal does.
>>
>> If virtio-serial's driver has bug or the guest doesn't have such device...
>
> We have the same issue with the hypercall; and virtio-serial is
> available on many deployed versions.
virtio-serial is available, but it is an optional device. If the guest does
not have this device, the guest cannot tell the host that is is paniced. So
I still prefer to touch the hypervisor.
Thanks
Wen Congyang
>
>>>
>>>>>> Having special kdump
>>>>>> kernel that transfers dump to a host via virtio-serial channel though
>>>>>> sounds interesting. May be that's what you mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. The "panic, starting dump" signal should be initiated by the
>>>>> panicking kernel though, in case the dump fails.
>>>>>
>>>> Then panic hypercall sounds like a reasonable solution.
>>>
>>> It is, but I'm trying to see if we can get away with doing nothing.
>>>
>>
>> If we have a reliable way with doing nothing, it is better. But I donot
>> find such way.
>
> We won't have a 100% reliable way. But I think a variant of the driver
> that doesn't use interrupts, or just using the ordinary serial driver,
> should be reliable enough.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-01 5:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-27 3:01 [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced Wen Congyang
2012-02-27 3:01 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-27 3:05 ` [PATCH]qemu: deal with guest paniced event Wen Congyang
2012-02-27 3:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-27 8:59 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27 8:59 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27 8:59 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-03-01 16:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Luiz Capitulino
2012-03-01 16:51 ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-03-02 0:40 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-02 0:40 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-27 15:08 ` [PATCH] kvm: notify host when guest paniced Jan Kiszka
2012-02-27 15:08 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 5:26 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 5:26 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 5:26 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 8:07 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 8:07 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 8:23 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 8:23 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 9:34 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 9:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 9:34 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 9:42 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 9:42 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 10:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 10:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2012-02-28 10:45 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-28 10:45 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 1:08 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 1:08 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 9:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 9:36 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:06 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-28 11:23 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-28 11:23 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 1:29 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 1:29 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 1:29 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 9:49 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 9:49 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 9:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 9:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:00 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:00 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:05 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:08 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:08 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:17 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:17 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:39 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-03-01 3:34 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-01 3:34 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-03-01 3:34 ` Wen Congyang
2012-03-01 5:21 ` Wen Congyang [this message]
2012-03-01 5:21 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:44 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:48 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:48 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:52 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 10:52 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2012-02-29 9:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29 9:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29 10:05 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:05 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:19 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29 10:19 ` [Qemu-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2012-02-29 10:44 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:44 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:31 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:31 ` Wen Congyang
2012-02-29 10:46 ` Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2012-02-29 10:46 ` Avi Kivity
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