From: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Mel Gorman <mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org,
David Rientjes <rientjes-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
devel-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Frederic Weisbecker
<fweisbec-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg-bbCR+/B0CizivPeTLB3BmA@public.gmane.org>,
Suleiman Souhlal
<suleiman-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 14/14] Add documentation about the kmem controller
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:02:46 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <507DAF56.9010403@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0000013a6ad26c73-d043cf97-c44a-45c1-9cae-0a962e93a005-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
On 10/16/2012 10:25 PM, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Glauber Costa wrote:
>
>>
>> + memory.kmem.limit_in_bytes # set/show hard limit for kernel memory
>> + memory.kmem.usage_in_bytes # show current kernel memory allocation
>> + memory.kmem.failcnt # show the number of kernel memory usage hits limits
>> + memory.kmem.max_usage_in_bytes # show max kernel memory usage recorded
>
> Does it actually make sense to limit kernel memory?
Yes.
> The user generally has
> no idea how much kernel memory a process is using and kernel changes can
> change the memory footprint. Given the fuzzy accounting in the kernel a
> large cache refill (if someone configures the slab batch count to be
> really big f.e.) can account a lot of memory to the wrong cgroup. The
> allocation could fail.
>
It heavily depends on the type of the user. The user may not know how
much kernel memory precisely will be used, but he/she usually knows
quite well that it shouldn't be all cgroups together shouldn't use more
than available in the system.
IOW: It is usually safe to overcommit user memory, but not kernel
memory. This is absolutely crucial in any high-density container host,
and we've been doing this in OpenVZ for ages (in an uglier form than this)
> Limiting the total memory use of a process (U+K) would make more sense I
> guess. Only U is probably sufficient? In what way would a limitation on
> kernel memory in use be good?
>
The kmem counter is also fed into the u counter. If the limit value of
"u" is equal or greater than "k", this is actually what you are doing.
For a lot of application yes, only U is sufficient. This is the default,
btw, since "k" is only even accounted if you set the limit.
All those use cases are detailed a bit below in this file.
A limitation of kernel memory use would be good, for example, to prevent
abuse from non-trusted containers in a high density, shared, container
environment.
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From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
devel@openvz.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 14/14] Add documentation about the kmem controller
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:02:46 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <507DAF56.9010403@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0000013a6ad26c73-d043cf97-c44a-45c1-9cae-0a962e93a005-000000@email.amazonses.com>
On 10/16/2012 10:25 PM, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Glauber Costa wrote:
>
>>
>> + memory.kmem.limit_in_bytes # set/show hard limit for kernel memory
>> + memory.kmem.usage_in_bytes # show current kernel memory allocation
>> + memory.kmem.failcnt # show the number of kernel memory usage hits limits
>> + memory.kmem.max_usage_in_bytes # show max kernel memory usage recorded
>
> Does it actually make sense to limit kernel memory?
Yes.
> The user generally has
> no idea how much kernel memory a process is using and kernel changes can
> change the memory footprint. Given the fuzzy accounting in the kernel a
> large cache refill (if someone configures the slab batch count to be
> really big f.e.) can account a lot of memory to the wrong cgroup. The
> allocation could fail.
>
It heavily depends on the type of the user. The user may not know how
much kernel memory precisely will be used, but he/she usually knows
quite well that it shouldn't be all cgroups together shouldn't use more
than available in the system.
IOW: It is usually safe to overcommit user memory, but not kernel
memory. This is absolutely crucial in any high-density container host,
and we've been doing this in OpenVZ for ages (in an uglier form than this)
> Limiting the total memory use of a process (U+K) would make more sense I
> guess. Only U is probably sufficient? In what way would a limitation on
> kernel memory in use be good?
>
The kmem counter is also fed into the u counter. If the limit value of
"u" is equal or greater than "k", this is actually what you are doing.
For a lot of application yes, only U is sufficient. This is the default,
btw, since "k" is only even accounted if you set the limit.
All those use cases are detailed a bit below in this file.
A limitation of kernel memory use would be good, for example, to prevent
abuse from non-trusted containers in a high density, shared, container
environment.
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From: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: <linux-mm@kvack.org>, <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
<kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>, <devel@openvz.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@redhat.com>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 14/14] Add documentation about the kmem controller
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:02:46 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <507DAF56.9010403@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0000013a6ad26c73-d043cf97-c44a-45c1-9cae-0a962e93a005-000000@email.amazonses.com>
On 10/16/2012 10:25 PM, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012, Glauber Costa wrote:
>
>>
>> + memory.kmem.limit_in_bytes # set/show hard limit for kernel memory
>> + memory.kmem.usage_in_bytes # show current kernel memory allocation
>> + memory.kmem.failcnt # show the number of kernel memory usage hits limits
>> + memory.kmem.max_usage_in_bytes # show max kernel memory usage recorded
>
> Does it actually make sense to limit kernel memory?
Yes.
> The user generally has
> no idea how much kernel memory a process is using and kernel changes can
> change the memory footprint. Given the fuzzy accounting in the kernel a
> large cache refill (if someone configures the slab batch count to be
> really big f.e.) can account a lot of memory to the wrong cgroup. The
> allocation could fail.
>
It heavily depends on the type of the user. The user may not know how
much kernel memory precisely will be used, but he/she usually knows
quite well that it shouldn't be all cgroups together shouldn't use more
than available in the system.
IOW: It is usually safe to overcommit user memory, but not kernel
memory. This is absolutely crucial in any high-density container host,
and we've been doing this in OpenVZ for ages (in an uglier form than this)
> Limiting the total memory use of a process (U+K) would make more sense I
> guess. Only U is probably sufficient? In what way would a limitation on
> kernel memory in use be good?
>
The kmem counter is also fed into the u counter. If the limit value of
"u" is equal or greater than "k", this is actually what you are doing.
For a lot of application yes, only U is sufficient. This is the default,
btw, since "k" is only even accounted if you set the limit.
All those use cases are detailed a bit below in this file.
A limitation of kernel memory use would be good, for example, to prevent
abuse from non-trusted containers in a high density, shared, container
environment.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-16 19:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-16 10:16 [PATCH v5 00/14] kmem controller for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-2-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-17 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 16:54 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 16:54 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 16:54 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-3-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-17 21:46 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 21:46 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 21:46 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 21:50 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 21:50 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] kmem accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 12:14 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 12:14 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-5-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-17 22:08 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 22:08 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 22:08 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1210171455010.20712-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 17:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 17:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 17:01 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 19:47 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-18 19:47 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-18 19:37 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-18 19:37 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-18 19:37 ` Tejun Heo
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20121017151207.e8bb3db2.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 17:03 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 17:03 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 17:03 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] Add a __GFP_KMEMCG flag Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-6-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-16 12:15 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 12:15 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 12:15 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-17 22:09 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 22:09 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 22:09 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 6:40 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-17 6:40 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 9:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 22:06 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18 22:06 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 9:10 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 9:10 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 9:31 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 9:31 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 10:00 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 10:00 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:37 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 22:37 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18 9:23 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:23 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <507FCA90.8060307-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 21:59 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18 21:59 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-18 21:59 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1210181454100.30894-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-19 10:08 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 10:08 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 10:08 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-19 20:34 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-19 20:34 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1210191331400.17804-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-22 12:34 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-22 12:34 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-22 12:34 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <50853D47.4030409-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-22 12:51 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-22 12:51 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-22 12:51 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-22 12:52 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-22 12:52 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 9:24 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:24 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:24 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <507FCADF.20109-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 20:44 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 20:44 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 20:44 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20121017151221.4c420e5a.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 11:53 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 11:53 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 11:53 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-8-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-16 15:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 15:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 15:31 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <0000013a6a333867-52b0d904-5ca2-4095-8c46-5a4dfc021cde-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-16 18:55 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 18:55 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 18:55 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:43 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 22:43 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 22:43 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] res_counter: return amount of charges after res_counter_uncharge Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-9-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-17 23:23 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 23:23 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 23:23 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] memcg: kmem accounting lifecycle management Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 23:28 ` David Rientjes
2012-10-17 23:28 ` David Rientjes
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1210171624540.20813-X6Q0R45D7oAcqpCFd4KODRPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 6:14 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-18 6:14 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-18 6:14 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-18 9:42 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:42 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:42 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] memcg: use static branches when code not in use Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] memcg: allow a memcg with kmem charges to be destructed Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 9:33 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:33 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] execute the whole memcg freeing in free_worker Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 6:56 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-17 6:56 ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] protect architectures where THREAD_SIZE >= PAGE_SIZE against fork bombs Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20121017151245.f11c4d18.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 9:37 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:37 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:37 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] Add documentation about the kmem controller Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 10:16 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-15-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-16 12:23 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 12:23 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 12:23 ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-16 18:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 18:25 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <0000013a6ad26c73-d043cf97-c44a-45c1-9cae-0a962e93a005-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-16 18:55 ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-10-16 18:55 ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-10-16 18:55 ` Aristeu Rozanski
2012-10-16 19:02 ` Glauber Costa [this message]
2012-10-16 19:02 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-16 19:02 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <507DAF56.9010403-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-16 19:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 19:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-16 19:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:12 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 9:38 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 9:38 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <1350382611-20579-1-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-17 22:11 ` [PATCH v5 00/14] kmem controller for memcg Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-17 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20121017151142.71e1f3c5.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 16:51 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 16:51 ` Glauber Costa
2012-10-18 16:51 ` Glauber Costa
[not found] ` <50803379.8000808-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-18 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
2012-10-18 19:21 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20121018122105.2efc2841.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-19 9:55 ` Glauber Costa
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