From: Rob Herring <robherring2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Marc Dietrich <marvin24-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
Russell King <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: Multi-platform, and secure-only ARM errata workarounds
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:00:08 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <512E1168.4080003@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22709540.96uJddbx1U-D3pzGp0ZKuDWZbiwp4sFPyrtisivX6KghOMvlBiLbJSELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
On 02/27/2013 03:03 AM, Marc Dietrich wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2013, 09:39:15 schrieb Stephen Warren:
>> On 02/26/2013 02:36 AM, Marc Dietrich wrote:
>>> Am Montag, 25. Februar 2013, 16:47:38 schrieb Stephen Warren:
>>>> ...
>>>> Now, I can easily add those 3 errata workarounds to U-Boot, but that
>>>> will require people to reflash their bootloader. This is probably
>>>> acceptable for development/reference boards (although I'm sure people
>>>> will find it annoying) but for re-purposed production boards (such as
>>>> the Toshiba AC100 or various tablets) it will be impossible to update
>>>> the factory bootloader. Switching to upstream U-Boot would currently
>>>> lose some functionality, and significantly affect people's boot flow, so
>>>> is likely unacceptable.
>>>
>>> personally, I have no problem to require a certain u-boot version for a
>>> given kernel. From a distro point of view, you will likely update the
>>> bootloader/kernel on a distro update anyway.
>>
>> So a distro will certainly update the kernel.
>>
>> But updating a bootloader would be very unusual, I believe.
>
> mmh? Every time I update to a new distro release, the bootloader gets also
> updated - even on arm, e.g. ftp://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/u/u-boot-linaro lists four version of uboot - one for each supported distro
> release. I know for closed embedded device this is different, but that's not
> our target.
There is a package of u-boot bootloaders, but they are not installed by
the OS. On ubuntu, installing a kernel only writes the boot.scr script.
There is an assumption that u-boot will go and read this. So we already
have some requirements on u-boot which would require at least a u-boot
environment update. I guess updating the environment is easier than
u-boot itself, but that probably depends on the platform.
Rob
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From: robherring2@gmail.com (Rob Herring)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Multi-platform, and secure-only ARM errata workarounds
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 08:00:08 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <512E1168.4080003@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22709540.96uJddbx1U@fb07-iapwap2.physik.uni-giessen.de>
On 02/27/2013 03:03 AM, Marc Dietrich wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 26. Februar 2013, 09:39:15 schrieb Stephen Warren:
>> On 02/26/2013 02:36 AM, Marc Dietrich wrote:
>>> Am Montag, 25. Februar 2013, 16:47:38 schrieb Stephen Warren:
>>>> ...
>>>> Now, I can easily add those 3 errata workarounds to U-Boot, but that
>>>> will require people to reflash their bootloader. This is probably
>>>> acceptable for development/reference boards (although I'm sure people
>>>> will find it annoying) but for re-purposed production boards (such as
>>>> the Toshiba AC100 or various tablets) it will be impossible to update
>>>> the factory bootloader. Switching to upstream U-Boot would currently
>>>> lose some functionality, and significantly affect people's boot flow, so
>>>> is likely unacceptable.
>>>
>>> personally, I have no problem to require a certain u-boot version for a
>>> given kernel. From a distro point of view, you will likely update the
>>> bootloader/kernel on a distro update anyway.
>>
>> So a distro will certainly update the kernel.
>>
>> But updating a bootloader would be very unusual, I believe.
>
> mmh? Every time I update to a new distro release, the bootloader gets also
> updated - even on arm, e.g. ftp://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/u/u-boot-linaro lists four version of uboot - one for each supported distro
> release. I know for closed embedded device this is different, but that's not
> our target.
There is a package of u-boot bootloaders, but they are not installed by
the OS. On ubuntu, installing a kernel only writes the boot.scr script.
There is an assumption that u-boot will go and read this. So we already
have some requirements on u-boot which would require at least a u-boot
environment update. I guess updating the environment is easier than
u-boot itself, but that probably depends on the platform.
Rob
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-27 14:00 UTC|newest]
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2013-02-25 23:47 Multi-platform, and secure-only ARM errata workarounds Stephen Warren
2013-02-25 23:47 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-26 9:36 ` Marc Dietrich
2013-02-26 9:36 ` Marc Dietrich
[not found] ` <4928288.ie8EUukfVD-D3pzGp0ZKuDWZbiwp4sFPyrtisivX6KghOMvlBiLbJSELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 16:39 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-26 16:39 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <512CE533.6020005-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 22:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-26 22:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-27 9:03 ` Marc Dietrich
2013-02-27 9:03 ` Marc Dietrich
[not found] ` <22709540.96uJddbx1U-D3pzGp0ZKuDWZbiwp4sFPyrtisivX6KghOMvlBiLbJSELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-27 14:00 ` Rob Herring [this message]
2013-02-27 14:00 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-27 17:42 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-27 17:42 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-28 13:58 ` Marc Dietrich
2013-02-28 13:58 ` Marc Dietrich
[not found] ` <512BF81A.3080700-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 10:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-26 10:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201302261023.26939.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 10:31 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-02-26 10:31 ` Catalin Marinas
[not found] ` <20130226103114.GA16875-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 10:35 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-02-26 10:35 ` Catalin Marinas
[not found] ` <20130226103503.GB16875-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 10:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-02-26 10:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201302261048.06644.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 11:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-02-26 11:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2013-02-26 11:35 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-26 11:35 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20130226113538.GS17833-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 14:07 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-26 14:07 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-26 18:01 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-26 18:01 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <512CF87A.4090404-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 18:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-26 18:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20130226181114.GU17833-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 18:30 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-26 18:30 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <512CFF30.9080300-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-26 18:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-26 18:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20130226184942.GV17833-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-27 6:07 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-02-27 6:07 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-03-01 17:37 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-01 17:37 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5130E757.6090500-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-01 18:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-01 18:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-04 6:34 ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-03-04 6:34 ` Peter De Schrijver
[not found] ` <20130304063436.GB27241-Rysk9IDjsxmJz7etNGeUX8VPkgjIgRvpAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-04 9:16 ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-03-04 9:16 ` Peter De Schrijver
[not found] ` <20130304091600.GC27241-Rysk9IDjsxmJz7etNGeUX8VPkgjIgRvpAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-04 17:08 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-04 17:08 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5134D50B.8060001-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-05 7:40 ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-03-05 7:40 ` Peter De Schrijver
[not found] ` <20130305074047.GH27241-Rysk9IDjsxmJz7etNGeUX8VPkgjIgRvpAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-05 17:00 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-05 17:00 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <513624AA.4090207-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-06 8:14 ` Peter De Schrijver
2013-03-06 8:14 ` Peter De Schrijver
[not found] ` <20130306081401.GN27241-Rysk9IDjsxmJz7etNGeUX8VPkgjIgRvpAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-06 16:18 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-06 16:18 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-10 17:25 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2013-03-10 17:25 ` Santosh Shilimkar
[not found] ` <513CC21E.7080901-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-10 18:47 ` Olof Johansson
2013-03-10 18:47 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMgYL19+u-bLp080iasct5xtC=qfNCoz=SY7bbVgF=7JQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-11 16:59 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-11 16:59 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-11 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-11 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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