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From: Lennart Poettering <lpoetter-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizefan-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	jpoimboe-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	dhaval.giani-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	workman-devel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: cgroup: status-quo and userland efforts
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 01:32:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51635371.7070104@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5162CA21.4060108-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>

Heya,

On 08.04.2013 15:46, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On 04/06/2013 05:21 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello, guys.
>>
> Hello Tejun, how are you?
>
>>   Status-quo
>>   ==========
>>
> tl;did read;
>
> This is mostly sensible. There is still one problem that we hadn't yet
> had the bandwidth to tackle that should be added to your official TODO list.
>
> The cpu cgroup needs a real-time timeslice to accept real time tasks. It
> defaults to 0, meaning that a newly created cpu cgroup cannot accept
> tasks (rt tasks) without the user having to manually configure it.
> As far as I know, this problem hasn't yet been fixed.
>
> The fix of course, is as trivial as setting a new value instead of 0 as
> a default. The complication lies in determining which value should that be.
>
> There are many things that we should ask from a controller to implement
> in order to be able to handle fully joint hierarchies. One of them,
> IMHO, is that if you drop a task into a newly created cgroup it should
> run without the user having to do anything for it.

The other big thing we want from the systemd side is saner notifications 
when cgroups run empty. i.e. currently we don't get these at all in 
containers (since the agent can be only installed once, for the host). 
And the way we get this is awful, via kernel-spawned processes. I am 
looking for a way how I can establish a watch on a certain subtree (not 
just one directory) and get simple notifications in a race-free whenever 
a cgroup runs empty.

Lennart

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Lennart Poettering <lpoetter@redhat.com>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Li Zefan <lizefan@huawei.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jpoimboe@redhat.com,
	dhaval.giani@gmail.com, workman-devel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: cgroup: status-quo and userland efforts
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 01:32:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51635371.7070104@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5162CA21.4060108@parallels.com>

Heya,

On 08.04.2013 15:46, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On 04/06/2013 05:21 AM, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello, guys.
>>
> Hello Tejun, how are you?
>
>>   Status-quo
>>   ==========
>>
> tl;did read;
>
> This is mostly sensible. There is still one problem that we hadn't yet
> had the bandwidth to tackle that should be added to your official TODO list.
>
> The cpu cgroup needs a real-time timeslice to accept real time tasks. It
> defaults to 0, meaning that a newly created cpu cgroup cannot accept
> tasks (rt tasks) without the user having to manually configure it.
> As far as I know, this problem hasn't yet been fixed.
>
> The fix of course, is as trivial as setting a new value instead of 0 as
> a default. The complication lies in determining which value should that be.
>
> There are many things that we should ask from a controller to implement
> in order to be able to handle fully joint hierarchies. One of them,
> IMHO, is that if you drop a task into a newly created cgroup it should
> run without the user having to do anything for it.

The other big thing we want from the systemd side is saner notifications 
when cgroups run empty. i.e. currently we don't get these at all in 
containers (since the agent can be only installed once, for the host). 
And the way we get this is awful, via kernel-spawned processes. I am 
looking for a way how I can establish a watch on a certain subtree (not 
just one directory) and get simple notifications in a race-free whenever 
a cgroup runs empty.

Lennart

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-08 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 205+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-06  1:21 cgroup: status-quo and userland efforts Tejun Heo
2013-04-06  1:21 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20130406012159.GA17159-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 13:46   ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-08 13:46     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <5162CA21.4060108-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 18:00       ` [Workman-devel] " Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 18:00         ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 18:26       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 18:26         ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 23:32       ` Lennart Poettering
2013-04-08 23:32       ` Lennart Poettering [this message]
2013-04-08 23:32         ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]         ` <51635371.7070104-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09  7:37           ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-09  7:37           ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-09  7:37             ` Glauber Costa
2013-04-09 19:11           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 19:11             ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 17:59   ` [Workman-devel] " Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 17:59     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20130408175925.GE28292-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 18:16       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 18:16         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130408181607.GI3021-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 18:49           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 18:49             ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 19:11           ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 19:11             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20130408191105.GG28292-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 19:20               ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 19:20                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20130408192024.GL3021-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 19:46                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-04-08 19:46                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                     ` <20130408194630.GH28292-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-08 20:02                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 20:02                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-08 20:02                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09  9:50   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-04-09  9:50     ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]     ` <20130409095024.GI25576-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09 19:38       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 19:38         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130409193851.GJ6186-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09 19:46           ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 19:46             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]             ` <20130409194640.GK6186-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-09 21:04               ` Serge Hallyn
2013-04-09 21:04                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-04-09 21:11                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 21:11                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-09 21:11                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-16 11:17   ` Li Zefan
2013-04-16 11:17     ` Li Zefan
     [not found]     ` <516D333D.4040703-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-16 17:10       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-16 17:10         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130416171056.GA2874-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-17  1:29           ` Li Zefan
2013-04-17  1:29             ` Li Zefan
2013-04-17  1:29           ` Li Zefan
2013-04-16 11:17   ` Li Zefan
2013-04-22 21:26   ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-22 21:26     ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]     ` <CAAAKZwvh_R2Xz--bmSLiN33fsqKanOJMq_6+6hoFWFRx38O4gA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 21:41       ` Tejun Heo
2013-04-22 21:41         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20130422214159.GG12543-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-04-22 22:33           ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-22 22:33           ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-22 22:33             ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]             ` <CAAAKZwuXJwwyj7KSqb7rZ+nrTwBWEaUCWfa7kWecTBnHL8koGw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-22 23:13               ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-22 23:13               ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-22 23:13                 ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                 ` <CAAAKZwvP_7wBBYMmtFuiE2hZt=ByaLrnTyiR83CZr3OMip63Gg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-25  0:01                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-25  0:01                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20130625000118.GT1918-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-25  4:07                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-25  4:07                         ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                         ` <CAAAKZwt09k-qUwLCnMpAQeYJ-S0XtkjXe4=bJ-G_fcrkAqEzoA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-26 21:20                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-26 21:20                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                             ` <20130626212047.GB4536-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27  0:06                               ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27  0:06                               ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27  0:06                                 ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-26 23:14                                 ` David Lang
     [not found]                                 ` <CAAAKZws1qkSik4G4pRr7z+067Jp9-jHfpx9-euqbvmdHjoN_Zg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-26 23:14                                   ` David Lang
2013-06-27  1:04                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27  1:04                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <20130627010427.GF4536-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27  3:42                                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27  3:42                                         ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                         ` <CAAAKZwsMT7FRccyVxSn77GR8+9JsSeqmDO6oOy7ycNCY7Desnw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 17:38                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 17:38                                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                             ` <20130627173809.GB5599-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 20:46                                               ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 20:46                                                 ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                                 ` <CAAAKZwvabGRsce43ymru7OBr0LX93DRnTVkzn-nhahTR6yMUZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 21:04                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 21:04                                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                     ` <20130627210445.GA22860-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 18:44                                                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-28 18:44                                                         ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                                         ` <CAAAKZwtOnpATCmRcOpsXaLZ8sQDs2Z=iZb8FrqG=bajNAOBnRg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-29 16:40                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-29 16:40                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2015-03-03 21:53                                                             ` Luke Leighton
2013-06-27 20:46                                               ` Tim Hockin
2015-03-03 21:38                                             ` Luke Leighton
2015-03-03 21:17                                     ` Luke Leighton
2015-03-04  5:08                                       ` David Lang
2015-03-04 11:27                                         ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2015-03-04 20:08                                           ` David Lang
2013-06-27  5:45                               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-27  5:45                               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-27  5:45                                 ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                 ` <1372311907.5871.78.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 13:22                                   ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 13:22                                     ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 15:29                                     ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 15:29                                     ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 15:29                                       ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                       ` <CAAAKZwt9QdddFrEjvdBsi3sbQXScKyzY=vZpYXqTwjGUebH1Ag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 16:18                                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 16:18                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2015-03-03 22:00                                           ` Luke Leighton
2013-06-27 16:18                                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 17:48                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 17:48                                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                       ` <20130627174850.GC5599-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 18:14                                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:14                                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:14                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:45                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:45                                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                             ` <20130627184541.GA6400-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-27 18:51                                               ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:51                                                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:52                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:52                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:52                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:51                                               ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 20:52                                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-27 20:52                                             ` Tim Hockin
2015-03-03 22:08                                       ` Luke Leighton
2013-06-28  9:09                                     ` [Workman-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2013-06-28  9:09                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]                                       ` <20130628090910.GB2507-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 15:53                                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 15:53                                         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 15:53                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 18:58                                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-28 18:58                                             ` Tim Hockin
2015-03-03 22:20                                           ` Luke Leighton
2013-06-27 13:22                                   ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:01                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-27 18:01                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                     ` <20130627180143.GD5599-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  3:46                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  3:46                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  3:46                                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                         ` <1372391198.5989.110.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  4:09                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  4:09                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  4:09                                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                             ` <20130628040930.GC2500-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  4:49                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  4:49                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  4:49                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                                 ` <1372394950.5989.128.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  5:01                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28  5:01                                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                     ` <20130628050138.GD2500-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28  6:00                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28  6:00                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2013-06-28 15:05                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-28 15:05                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-28 15:05                                                         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                         ` <20130628150513.GD5125-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 18:01                                                           ` [Workman-devel] " Vivek Goyal
2013-06-28 18:01                                                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                                             ` <20130628180155.GD16483-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 19:59                                                               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-06-28 19:59                                                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20130628195917.GG2507-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 22:40                                                                   ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 22:40                                                                     ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 22:43                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 22:43                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 22:43                                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 22:40                                                                   ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-30 18:38                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-30 18:38                                                                 ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                                                 ` <20130630183838.GB23731-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-15 18:49                                                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2013-07-15 18:49                                                                     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20130715184940.GG27338-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-23 14:48                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-23 14:48                                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2013-07-23 14:48                                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-30 18:38                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2013-06-28 18:30                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 18:30                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 18:53                                                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-28 18:53                                                             ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                                             ` <CAAAKZwtqYe-c0bfkgHFbzsOKVHifjTwkqcpci=uS1JwqS9TJHQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 19:01                                                               ` Vrijendra (वृजेन्द्र) Gokhale
2013-06-29  1:48                                                               ` Lennart Poettering
2013-06-29  1:48                                                                 ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                                                                 ` <51CE3CE0.9010506-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-29  3:05                                                                   ` Tim Hockin
2013-06-29  3:05                                                                     ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CAAAKZwuzhSzPj99HZW=KD4emGXZbcsjsUu=+TCpafhs9MKD2JA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-30 19:39                                                                       ` Lennart Poettering
2013-06-30 19:39                                                                         ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                                                                         ` <51D08976.6040005-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-01  6:06                                                                           ` Tim Hockin
2013-07-01  6:06                                                                             ` Tim Hockin
2013-07-02 23:57                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-02 23:57                                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-02 23:57                                                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1307030021480.4013-3cz04HxQygjZikZi3RtOZ1XZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  0:44                                                                               ` Kay Sievers
2013-07-03  0:44                                                                                 ` Kay Sievers
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <CAPXgP12AyogbFX_hPPmQD5GFG0-+_crsnHF3epDZSRds3-WNtQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  7:37                                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-03  7:37                                                                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-03  7:37                                                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2013-07-03  9:30                                                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-03  9:30                                                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-03  9:30                                                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-09 23:12                                                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-09 23:12                                                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-09 23:12                                                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2013-07-03  0:44                                                                               ` Kay Sievers
2013-07-03 17:11                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2013-07-03 17:11                                                                                 ` James Bottomley
2013-07-03 17:11                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2013-06-28  5:01                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-28 19:18                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2013-06-28 19:18                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                         ` <51CDE18E.8080009-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-28 19:36                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 19:36                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-28 19:36                                             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-06-27 18:01                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-06-25  4:07                       ` Tim Hockin
2013-04-22 21:26   ` Tim Hockin

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