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From: Roger <rogerable@realtek.com>
To: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>
Cc: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Alex Dubov <oakad@yahoo.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	driverdev-devel@linuxdriverproject.org,
	linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, Chris Ball <chris@printf.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, wei_wang@realsil.com.cn,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	Samuel Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/3] mfd: Add realtek USB card reader driver
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:57:37 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53353981.7050302@realtek.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1395995486.9520.2.camel@linux-fkkt.site>


On 03/28/2014 04:31 PM, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 11:33 +0800, Roger wrote:
>> On 03/26/2014 10:36 PM, Oliver Neukum wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 18:44 +0800, rogerable@realtek.com wrote:
>>>> From: Roger Tseng <rogerable@realtek.com>
>
>>>> +	if (ret)
>>>> +		goto out_init_fail;
>>>> +
>>>> +	/* initialize USB SG transfer timer */
>>>> +	init_timer(&ucr->sg_timer);
>>>> +	setup_timer(&ucr->sg_timer, rtsx_usb_sg_timed_out, (unsigned long) ucr);
>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_PM
>>>> +	intf->needs_remote_wakeup = 1;
>>>
>>> Why?
>> Our reader supports remote wake-up from card slot event(insertion,
>> removal). It should be enabled to let the driver be able to detect the
>> newly inserted card.
>
> Interesting. This capability has been lacking for a long time.
> That is cool hardware. Are you sure the upper layers implement
> the event infrastructure so that devices are not polled?
>
Polling is still necessary because USB essentially doesn't support 
interrupt.

However, if remote wake-up is not enabled or supported, the device will 
have to be resumed every time when polling and then suspended right away 
if there isn't a new card. This should consume more power than the 
designed behavior: suspending device while card removed, taking failed 
polls as no-card, and card being successfully polled after 
insertion-triggered remote wake-up.

>> The LED is not in a permanent cut-off state after here. It is called to
>> guarantee the LED is off during suspend to save more power. It could be
>> lit up in the card host drivers(e.g. rtsx_usb_sdmmc.c) anytime whenever
>> necessary.
>>
>> This has been asked may times. I'm considering putting some comment in
>> next revision.
>
> Good idea.
>
> 	Regards
> 		Oliver

Best regards,
Roger Tseng

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From: Roger <rogerable@realtek.com>
To: Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.de>
Cc: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@linux.intel.com>,
	Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>, Chris Ball <chris@printf.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
	Alex Dubov <oakad@yahoo.com>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	<driverdev-devel@linuxdriverproject.org>,
	<wei_wang@realsil.com.cn>, <micky_ching@realsil.com.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/3] mfd: Add realtek USB card reader driver
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:57:37 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53353981.7050302@realtek.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1395995486.9520.2.camel@linux-fkkt.site>


On 03/28/2014 04:31 PM, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-03-28 at 11:33 +0800, Roger wrote:
>> On 03/26/2014 10:36 PM, Oliver Neukum wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 18:44 +0800, rogerable@realtek.com wrote:
>>>> From: Roger Tseng <rogerable@realtek.com>
>
>>>> +	if (ret)
>>>> +		goto out_init_fail;
>>>> +
>>>> +	/* initialize USB SG transfer timer */
>>>> +	init_timer(&ucr->sg_timer);
>>>> +	setup_timer(&ucr->sg_timer, rtsx_usb_sg_timed_out, (unsigned long) ucr);
>>>> +#ifdef CONFIG_PM
>>>> +	intf->needs_remote_wakeup = 1;
>>>
>>> Why?
>> Our reader supports remote wake-up from card slot event(insertion,
>> removal). It should be enabled to let the driver be able to detect the
>> newly inserted card.
>
> Interesting. This capability has been lacking for a long time.
> That is cool hardware. Are you sure the upper layers implement
> the event infrastructure so that devices are not polled?
>
Polling is still necessary because USB essentially doesn't support 
interrupt.

However, if remote wake-up is not enabled or supported, the device will 
have to be resumed every time when polling and then suspended right away 
if there isn't a new card. This should consume more power than the 
designed behavior: suspending device while card removed, taking failed 
polls as no-card, and card being successfully polled after 
insertion-triggered remote wake-up.

>> The LED is not in a permanent cut-off state after here. It is called to
>> guarantee the LED is off during suspend to save more power. It could be
>> lit up in the card host drivers(e.g. rtsx_usb_sdmmc.c) anytime whenever
>> necessary.
>>
>> This has been asked may times. I'm considering putting some comment in
>> next revision.
>
> Good idea.
>
> 	Regards
> 		Oliver

Best regards,
Roger Tseng

  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-28  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-25 10:44 [PATCH v5 0/3] Add modules for realtek USB card reader rogerable
2014-03-25 10:44 ` rogerable
2014-03-25 10:44 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] mfd: Add realtek USB card reader driver rogerable
2014-03-25 10:44   ` rogerable
2014-03-26 14:36   ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]   ` <201403280231.s2S2VP8X017745@rtits1.realtek.com>
2014-03-28  3:33     ` Roger
2014-03-28  3:33       ` Roger
2014-03-28  7:59       ` Lee Jones
2014-03-28  8:31       ` Oliver Neukum
2014-03-28  8:31         ` Oliver Neukum
2014-03-28  8:57         ` Roger [this message]
2014-03-28  8:57           ` Roger
2014-03-25 10:44 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] mmc: Add realtek USB sdmmc host driver rogerable
2014-03-25 10:44   ` rogerable
2014-03-25 10:44 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] memstick: Add realtek USB memstick " rogerable
2014-03-25 10:44   ` rogerable
2014-04-01  3:20   ` Roger
2014-04-01  3:20     ` Roger
2014-04-01 22:06     ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-01 22:06       ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-02 15:16       ` Lee Jones
2014-04-02 15:16         ` Lee Jones
2014-04-08  8:06         ` Roger
2014-04-08  8:06           ` Roger
2014-04-08 11:37           ` Lee Jones
2014-04-08 11:37             ` Lee Jones
2014-04-08 13:10             ` Roger
2014-04-08 13:10               ` Roger
2014-04-08 13:25               ` Dan Carpenter
2014-04-08 13:25                 ` Dan Carpenter

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