From: David Ahern <lxhacker68-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: nicolas.dichtel-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
Cong Wang <cwang-xCSkyg8dI+0RB7SZvlqPiA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: netdev <netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
Stephen Hemminger
<stephen-OTpzqLSitTUnbdJkjeBofR2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman"
<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/5] netns: allow to identify peer netns
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:15:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5425BB3E.10700@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54256CCB.4000709-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On 9/26/14, 7:40 AM, Nicolas Dichtel wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, I don't want to monitor anything. Even if I wanted, I would just
>> start one
>> daemon in each netns instead of one for all.
> Ok you don't want, but some other people (not only me) want it! And
> having one
> daemon per netns does not scale: there are scenarii with thousand netns
> which
> are dynamically created and deleted.
An example of the scaling problem using quagga (old but still seems to
be a relevant data point):
https://lists.quagga.net/pipermail/quagga-users/2010-February/011351.html
"2k VRFs that would be 2.6G"
And that does not include the overhead of each namespace -- roughly
200kB/namespace on one kernel I checked (v3.10). So that's a ballpark of
3G of memory.
David
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From: David Ahern <lxhacker68@gmail.com>
To: nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com, Cong Wang <cwang@twopensource.com>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/5] netns: allow to identify peer netns
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:15:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5425BB3E.10700@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54256CCB.4000709@6wind.com>
On 9/26/14, 7:40 AM, Nicolas Dichtel wrote:
>>
>>
>> No, I don't want to monitor anything. Even if I wanted, I would just
>> start one
>> daemon in each netns instead of one for all.
> Ok you don't want, but some other people (not only me) want it! And
> having one
> daemon per netns does not scale: there are scenarii with thousand netns
> which
> are dynamically created and deleted.
An example of the scaling problem using quagga (old but still seems to
be a relevant data point):
https://lists.quagga.net/pipermail/quagga-users/2010-February/011351.html
"2k VRFs that would be 2.6G"
And that does not include the overhead of each namespace -- roughly
200kB/namespace on one kernel I checked (v3.10). So that's a ballpark of
3G of memory.
David
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Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-23 13:20 [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/5] netns: allow to identify peer netns Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/5] netns: allocate netns ids Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 2/5] netns: add genl cmd to get the id of a netns Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 3/5] rtnl: add link netns id to interface messages Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 4/5] iptunnels: advertise link netns via netlink Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <1411478430-4989-1-git-send-email-nicolas.dichtel-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/5] netns: allocate netns ids Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 2/5] netns: add genl cmd to get the id of a netns Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 3/5] rtnl: add link netns id to interface messages Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 4/5] iptunnels: advertise link netns via netlink Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 5/5] rtnl: allow to create device with IFLA_LINK_NETNSID set Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 13:20 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-23 19:22 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/5] netns: allow to identify peer netns Cong Wang
2014-09-23 19:22 ` Cong Wang
[not found] ` <CAHA+R7NnBJ=T3sukzzp-OD2am1nd318XbrXCX84LfSL=nu9ojw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 9:23 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-24 9:23 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <54228D87.3070309-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 16:01 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-24 16:01 ` Cong Wang
[not found] ` <CAHA+R7NfJYzCsZx0E9YVXKVCQbCm_thPSi+80tix8Z9nVA82Ug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 16:15 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-24 16:15 ` Cong Wang
[not found] ` <CAHA+R7MVL=WpepRy8iz6iT6Kkq1RHG+b9TxJothP94ixyAj-3Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 16:31 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-24 16:31 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <5422F1F7.8010308-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 16:48 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-24 16:48 ` Cong Wang
[not found] ` <CAHA+R7MM04ew=J8sHfSQERwoCAgEDfrGgtgRORqs3ePgtjVYWg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-25 8:53 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-25 8:53 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <5423D808.7050800-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 1:58 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-26 1:58 ` Cong Wang
[not found] ` <CAHA+R7OdOUMShX6Nphdfh8+fGiXyO+sGNHy0ch_XYh5dpURcmQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 13:38 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-26 13:38 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-24 16:27 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-24 16:27 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <5422F0F4.6000709-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 16:45 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-24 16:45 ` Cong Wang
[not found] ` <CAHA+R7Ot2kLHb+ne5AW3bFNc87qkFOiEHEyDh9sFrsHqXgrY3g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-25 8:53 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-25 8:53 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <5423D80B.9060500-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 2:09 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-26 2:09 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-26 13:40 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-26 13:40 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <54256CCB.4000709-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 19:15 ` David Ahern [this message]
2014-09-26 19:15 ` David Ahern
[not found] ` <5425BB3E.10700-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 19:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 19:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 19:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 19:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87mw9myy4n.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 19:44 ` David Ahern
2014-09-26 19:44 ` David Ahern
[not found] ` <5425C22F.7050301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87tx3uun4q.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 20:56 ` David Ahern
2014-09-26 20:56 ` David Ahern
2014-09-24 16:01 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-23 19:22 ` Cong Wang
2014-09-23 19:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-23 19:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWnZtWstBviDxcHpLpjHF3R+sgS48RYf2pbKBYeExZVOQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 9:31 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-24 9:31 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <54228F8B.2030804-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24 17:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-24 17:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrXMkV_1XR2mXOoO_2_vpB=6cPbWAAOhPFhPbDa_1P+zxw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-25 7:54 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-25 7:54 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-25 7:54 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-24 17:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-26 18:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 18:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87ppei45ig.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 18:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-26 18:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrX5e0cp4QFCv1eAqR1hjoROU9Rh=cRos9U35DaR-py3Eg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-26 18:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-26 18:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87y4t61a6v.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-29 12:06 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-09-29 12:06 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <54294B4E.70501-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-29 18:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-09-29 18:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87y4t2gtd0.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-02 13:46 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:46 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <542D5726.8070308-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-02 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v3 0/4] " Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <1412257690-31253-1-git-send-email-nicolas.dichtel-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-02 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v3 1/4] netns: add genl cmd to add and get peer netns ids Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <1412257690-31253-2-git-send-email-nicolas.dichtel-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-02 19:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-02 19:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87tx3mmflp.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-03 12:22 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-03 12:22 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-03 12:22 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v3 2/4] rtnl: add link netns id to interface messages Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v3 3/4] iptunnels: advertise link netns via netlink Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v3 4/4] rtnl: allow to create device with IFLA_LINK_NETNSID set Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 13:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` [PATCH net-next v4 0/4] netns: allow to identify peer netns Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` [PATCH net-next v4 1/4] netns: add genl cmd to add and get peer netns ids Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <1414682728-4532-2-git-send-email-nicolas.dichtel-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 18:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 18:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <874mulh0cs.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 9:41 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-31 9:41 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-31 9:41 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <1414682728-4532-1-git-send-email-nicolas.dichtel-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-30 15:25 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` [PATCH net-next v4 2/4] rtnl: add link netns id to interface messages Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` [PATCH net-next v4 3/4] iptunnels: advertise link netns via netlink Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` [PATCH net-next v4 4/4] rtnl: allow to create device with IFLA_LINK_NETNSID set Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 18:41 ` [PATCH net-next v4 0/4] netns: allow to identify peer netns Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-30 18:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <871tpph03k.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 9:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-31 9:48 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <54535B00.5090708-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-31 19:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-31 19:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87wq7g831b.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-05 14:23 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-11-05 14:23 ` Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <545A32C4.7070108-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-04 16:21 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-12-04 16:21 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 " Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 1/4] netns: add rtnl cmd to add and get peer netns ids Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 2/4] rtnl: add link netns id to interface messages Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 3/4] tunnels: advertise link netns via netlink Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 4/4] rtnl: allow to create device with IFLA_LINK_NETNSID set Nicolas Dichtel
[not found] ` <1421331078-21622-1-git-send-email-nicolas.dichtel-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 1/4] netns: add rtnl cmd to add and get peer netns ids Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 2/4] rtnl: add link netns id to interface messages Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 3/4] tunnels: advertise link netns via netlink Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-15 14:11 ` [PATCH net-next v5 4/4] rtnl: allow to create device with IFLA_LINK_NETNSID set Nicolas Dichtel
2015-01-19 19:16 ` [PATCH net-next v5 0/4] netns: allow to identify peer netns David Miller
2015-01-19 19:16 ` David Miller
2015-01-19 19:16 ` David Miller
2014-10-31 9:48 ` [PATCH net-next v4 " Nicolas Dichtel
2014-11-01 21:08 ` David Miller
2014-11-01 21:08 ` David Miller
2014-11-01 21:08 ` David Miller
2014-11-24 13:45 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-11-24 13:45 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-30 15:25 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-02 19:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v2 0/5] " Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-02 19:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <8761g2nurx.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-02 19:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-02 19:31 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWxqzUF1x+TmW5G4kuHPP+sUtiRaT6dpZ0mQTJ217QB5w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-02 19:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-02 19:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <877g0il0gd.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-02 19:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-02 19:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-03 12:22 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-03 12:22 ` Nicolas Dichtel
2014-10-03 12:22 ` Nicolas Dichtel
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2014-09-23 13:20 Nicolas Dichtel
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