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From: Grygorii Strashko <grygorii.strashko@ti.com>
To: Lina Iyer <lina.iyer@linaro.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	ulf.hansson@linaro.org,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	rjw@rjwysocki.net, k.kozlowski@samsung.com,
	msivasub@codeaurora.org, khilman@linaro.org,
	geert@linux-m68k.org, agross@codeaurora.org,
	sboyd@codeaurora.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:57:10 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55E9DB76.3080904@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150904151202.GA876@linaro.org>

Hi Lina,

On 09/04/2015 06:12 PM, Lina Iyer wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 04 2015 at 03:27 -0600, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 01:58:34PM -0600, Lina Iyer wrote:
>>> > @@ -401,6 +412,11 @@ asmlinkage void secondary_start_kernel(void)
>>> >      local_irq_enable();
>>> >      local_fiq_enable();
>>> >
>>> > +    /* We are running, enable runtime PM for the CPU. */
>>> > +    cpu_dev = get_cpu_device(cpu);
>>> > +    if (cpu_dev)
>>> > +        pm_runtime_get_sync(cpu_dev);
>>> > +
>>>
>>> Please no.  This is fragile.
>>>
>>> pm_runtime_get_sync() can sleep, and this path is used when the system
>>> is fully up and running.  Locks may be held, which cause this to sleep.
>>> However, we're calling it from a context where we can't sleep - which
>>> is the general rule for any part of system initialisation where we
>>> have not entered the idle thread yet (the idle thread is what we run
>>> when sleeping.)
>>>
> More explanation below.
> 
> Another patch (3/7) in this series defines CPU devices as IRQ safe and
> therefore the dev->power.lock would be spinlock'd before calling the
> rest of the PM runtime code and the domain. The CPU PM domain would also
> be an IRQ safe domain (patch 2/7 makes the genpd framework usable in IRQ
> safe context).

There is one "small" problem with such approach :(

- It's incompatible with -RT kernel, because PM runtime can't be used
in atomic context on -RT. As result, CPU's hotplug will be broken
(CPUIdle will be broken also, but CPU hotplug is more important at least for me:).

Also, as for me, PM runtime + genpd is a little bit heavy-weight things
to be used for CPUIdle and It could affect on states with small wake-up latencies.

[...]

-- 
regards,
-grygorii

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: grygorii.strashko@ti.com (Grygorii Strashko)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:57:10 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55E9DB76.3080904@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150904151202.GA876@linaro.org>

Hi Lina,

On 09/04/2015 06:12 PM, Lina Iyer wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 04 2015 at 03:27 -0600, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 10:17:35AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 01:58:34PM -0600, Lina Iyer wrote:
>>> > @@ -401,6 +412,11 @@ asmlinkage void secondary_start_kernel(void)
>>> >      local_irq_enable();
>>> >      local_fiq_enable();
>>> >
>>> > +    /* We are running, enable runtime PM for the CPU. */
>>> > +    cpu_dev = get_cpu_device(cpu);
>>> > +    if (cpu_dev)
>>> > +        pm_runtime_get_sync(cpu_dev);
>>> > +
>>>
>>> Please no.  This is fragile.
>>>
>>> pm_runtime_get_sync() can sleep, and this path is used when the system
>>> is fully up and running.  Locks may be held, which cause this to sleep.
>>> However, we're calling it from a context where we can't sleep - which
>>> is the general rule for any part of system initialisation where we
>>> have not entered the idle thread yet (the idle thread is what we run
>>> when sleeping.)
>>>
> More explanation below.
> 
> Another patch (3/7) in this series defines CPU devices as IRQ safe and
> therefore the dev->power.lock would be spinlock'd before calling the
> rest of the PM runtime code and the domain. The CPU PM domain would also
> be an IRQ safe domain (patch 2/7 makes the genpd framework usable in IRQ
> safe context).

There is one "small" problem with such approach :(

- It's incompatible with -RT kernel, because PM runtime can't be used
in atomic context on -RT. As result, CPU's hotplug will be broken
(CPUIdle will be broken also, but CPU hotplug is more important at least for me:).

Also, as for me, PM runtime + genpd is a little bit heavy-weight things
to be used for CPUIdle and It could affect on states with small wake-up latencies.

[...]

-- 
regards,
-grygorii

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-04 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-03 19:58 [PATCH v2 0/7] PM / Domains: Generic PM domains for CPUs/Clusters Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] PM / Domains: Allocate memory outside domain locks Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58   ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] PM / Domains: Support IRQ safe PM domains Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58   ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 10:02   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-09-04 10:02     ` Ulf Hansson
2015-09-04 16:05     ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 16:05       ` Lina Iyer
2015-10-01 21:11   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-10-01 21:11     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] drivers: cpu: Define CPU devices as IRQ safe Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58   ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  4:00   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-04  4:00     ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] PM / Domains: Introduce PM domains for CPUs/clusters Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58   ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  3:54   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-04  3:54     ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] ARM: cpuidle: Add runtime PM support for CPU idle Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58   ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] ARM64: smp: Add runtime PM support for CPU hotplug Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58   ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-30 12:36   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-30 12:36     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-03 19:58 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] ARM: " Lina Iyer
2015-09-03 19:58   ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  3:59   ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-04  3:59     ` Stephen Boyd
2015-09-04 15:13     ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 15:13       ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04  7:39   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-04  7:39     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-09-04  9:17   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04  9:17     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04  9:27     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04  9:27       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 15:12       ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 15:12         ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 16:23         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 16:23           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 17:02           ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 17:02             ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-04 17:46             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 17:46               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2015-09-04 17:57         ` Grygorii Strashko [this message]
2015-09-04 17:57           ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-04 18:45           ` Alan Stern
2015-09-04 18:45             ` Alan Stern
2015-09-04 21:46             ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-04 21:46               ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-05 15:39               ` Alan Stern
2015-09-05 15:39                 ` Alan Stern
2015-09-07 13:04                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-07 13:04                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-07 13:37                   ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-07 13:37                     ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-07 20:42                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-07 20:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-08  8:21                       ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-08  8:21                         ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-08 22:03                         ` Kevin Hilman
2015-09-08 22:03                           ` Kevin Hilman
2015-09-10 11:01                           ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-10 11:01                             ` Grygorii Strashko
2015-09-22 17:32                             ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-22 17:32                               ` Lina Iyer
2015-09-22 20:53                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-09-22 20:53                                 ` Thomas Gleixner

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