From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
Matt Redfearn <matt.redfearn@imgtec.com>,
Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org>,
Emrah Demir <ed@abdsec.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH] Prefer kASLR over Hibernation
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:51:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <570D358A.2080109@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jKU=+ZokCcMHwGT0GxHZ5G4RaLhdFrADxw2BxEHyfNF7g@mail.gmail.com>
On 11/04/16 19:03, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:00 AM, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com> wrote:
>> On 06/04/16 20:44, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> When building with both CONFIG_HIBERNATION and CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE,
>>> one or the other must be chosen at boot-time. Until now, hibernation
>>> was selected when no choice was made on the command line.
>>>
>>> To make the security benefits of kASLR more widely available to end
>>> users (since the use of hibernation is becoming more rare and kASLR,
>>> already available on x86, will be available on arm64 and MIPS soon),
>>> this changes the default to preferring kASLR over hibernation. Users
>>> wanting hibernation can turn off kASLR by adding "nokaslr" to the kernel
>>> command line.
>>
>> While hibernate isn't yet merged for arm64, it does work with kASLR in v4.6-rc*,
>> it would be a shame to have to choose at boot time, (but that's my problem to
>> fix if/when its merged).
>
> Ah, interesting, so they work together on arm64? (i.e. you've actually
> tested a boot loader that provides the seed for kASLR to operate?)
Almost: due to a lack of firmware support I hacked the efi stub to read a 'seed'
from a system counter.
To check it works I printed the address of 'panic' out during boot:
> [ 0.353712] DEBUG: &panic == ffffff960819a4e8
Then hibernated, and powered the board back on, the resume kernel gives:
> [ 0.353528] DEBUG: &panic == ffffff840819a4e8
But after it has restored the hibernate image, I can dig in /proc/kallsyms to
see the original value:
> root@localhost:~# cat /proc/kallsyms | grep "T panic"
> ffffff960819a4e8 T panic
> Maybe RANDOMIZE_BASE_DEFAULT (default to y) and if x86 && hibernation,
> select =n. and use that for selecting it?
Looks good to me.
Thanks,
James
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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
Matt Redfearn <matt.redfearn@imgtec.com>,
Yves-Alexis Perez <corsac@debian.org>,
Emrah Demir <ed@abdsec.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prefer kASLR over Hibernation
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:51:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <570D358A.2080109@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5jKU=+ZokCcMHwGT0GxHZ5G4RaLhdFrADxw2BxEHyfNF7g@mail.gmail.com>
On 11/04/16 19:03, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:00 AM, James Morse <james.morse@arm.com> wrote:
>> On 06/04/16 20:44, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> When building with both CONFIG_HIBERNATION and CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_BASE,
>>> one or the other must be chosen at boot-time. Until now, hibernation
>>> was selected when no choice was made on the command line.
>>>
>>> To make the security benefits of kASLR more widely available to end
>>> users (since the use of hibernation is becoming more rare and kASLR,
>>> already available on x86, will be available on arm64 and MIPS soon),
>>> this changes the default to preferring kASLR over hibernation. Users
>>> wanting hibernation can turn off kASLR by adding "nokaslr" to the kernel
>>> command line.
>>
>> While hibernate isn't yet merged for arm64, it does work with kASLR in v4.6-rc*,
>> it would be a shame to have to choose at boot time, (but that's my problem to
>> fix if/when its merged).
>
> Ah, interesting, so they work together on arm64? (i.e. you've actually
> tested a boot loader that provides the seed for kASLR to operate?)
Almost: due to a lack of firmware support I hacked the efi stub to read a 'seed'
from a system counter.
To check it works I printed the address of 'panic' out during boot:
> [ 0.353712] DEBUG: &panic == ffffff960819a4e8
Then hibernated, and powered the board back on, the resume kernel gives:
> [ 0.353528] DEBUG: &panic == ffffff840819a4e8
But after it has restored the hibernate image, I can dig in /proc/kallsyms to
see the original value:
> root@localhost:~# cat /proc/kallsyms | grep "T panic"
> ffffff960819a4e8 T panic
> Maybe RANDOMIZE_BASE_DEFAULT (default to y) and if x86 && hibernation,
> select =n. and use that for selecting it?
Looks good to me.
Thanks,
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-04-12 17:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-06 19:44 [kernel-hardening] [PATCH] Prefer kASLR over Hibernation Kees Cook
2016-04-06 19:44 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-06 20:17 ` [kernel-hardening] " Pavel Machek
2016-04-06 20:17 ` Pavel Machek
2016-04-06 20:56 ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds
2016-04-06 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-06 21:25 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-04-06 21:25 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-06 21:48 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 21:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 21:52 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 21:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 22:32 ` [kernel-hardening] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-06 22:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-07 0:49 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2016-04-07 0:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 21:49 ` [kernel-hardening] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-06 21:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-06 21:56 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 21:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-06 22:04 ` [kernel-hardening] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-06 22:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-04-06 22:16 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-04-06 22:16 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-06 22:41 ` [kernel-hardening] " Paul Bolle
2016-04-06 22:41 ` Paul Bolle
2016-04-07 0:05 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2016-04-07 0:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-04-11 8:00 ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morse
2016-04-11 8:00 ` James Morse
2016-04-11 18:03 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-04-11 18:03 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-11 18:21 ` [kernel-hardening] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-04-11 18:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-04-11 18:47 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-04-11 18:47 ` Kees Cook
2016-04-12 17:51 ` James Morse [this message]
2016-04-12 17:51 ` James Morse
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