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From: okaya@codeaurora.org
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	timur@codeaurora.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dongdong Liu <liudongdong3@huawei.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Thymo van Beers <thymovanbeers@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Frederick Lawler <fred@fredlawl.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arm-kerne
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: Add pci=safemode option
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 00:56:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577f01ada5e7f08c79a28d41020fb019@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180530074822.GB30177@kroah.com>

On 2018-05-30 00:48, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:44:29AM -0700, okaya@codeaurora.org wrote:
>> On 2018-05-30 00:37, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 09:41:33PM -0700, Sinan Kaya wrote:
>> > > Bjorn and I discussed the need for such a "safe" mode feature when you
>> > > want to bring up PCI for a platform. You want to turn off everything
>> > > as
>> > > a starter and just stick to bare minimum.
>> >
>> > Can we please make it a config option the instead of adding code
>> > to every kernel?  Also maybe the bringup should be in the name
>> > to make this more clear?
>> 
>> One other requirement was to have a runtime option rather than compile 
>> time
>> option.
>> 
>> When someone reported a problem, we wanted to be able to say "use this
>> option and see if system boots" without doing any bisects or 
>> recompilation.
>> 
>> This would be the first step in troubleshooting a system to see if
>> fundamental features are working.
> 
> That makes sense, people can not rebuild their kernels for the most
> part.  Putting it behind a config option would not make sense as it
> would always have to be enabled.
> 

Here is where the discussion took place. Last 5-10  messages should 
help.


https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196197


>> I don't mind changing the name Bjorn mentioned safe option. I made it
>> safemode. I am looking at Bjorn for suggestions at this moment.
> 
> "minimal"?  "basic"?  "crippled"?
> "my_hardware_is_so_borked_it_needs_this_option"?  :)
> 
> Naming is hard...
> 
> greg k-h

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From: okaya@codeaurora.org
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, timur@codeaurora.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@linaro.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Thymo van Beers <thymovanbeers@gmail.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	Dongdong Liu <liudongdong3@huawei.com>,
	Frederick Lawler <fred@fredlawl.com>,
	Oza Pawandeep <poza@codeaurora.org>,
	Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: Add pci=safemode option
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 00:56:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577f01ada5e7f08c79a28d41020fb019@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180530074822.GB30177@kroah.com>

On 2018-05-30 00:48, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:44:29AM -0700, okaya@codeaurora.org wrote:
>> On 2018-05-30 00:37, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 09:41:33PM -0700, Sinan Kaya wrote:
>> > > Bjorn and I discussed the need for such a "safe" mode feature when you
>> > > want to bring up PCI for a platform. You want to turn off everything
>> > > as
>> > > a starter and just stick to bare minimum.
>> >
>> > Can we please make it a config option the instead of adding code
>> > to every kernel?  Also maybe the bringup should be in the name
>> > to make this more clear?
>> 
>> One other requirement was to have a runtime option rather than compile 
>> time
>> option.
>> 
>> When someone reported a problem, we wanted to be able to say "use this
>> option and see if system boots" without doing any bisects or 
>> recompilation.
>> 
>> This would be the first step in troubleshooting a system to see if
>> fundamental features are working.
> 
> That makes sense, people can not rebuild their kernels for the most
> part.  Putting it behind a config option would not make sense as it
> would always have to be enabled.
> 

Here is where the discussion took place. Last 5-10  messages should 
help.


https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196197


>> I don't mind changing the name Bjorn mentioned safe option. I made it
>> safemode. I am looking at Bjorn for suggestions at this moment.
> 
> "minimal"?  "basic"?  "crippled"?
> "my_hardware_is_so_borked_it_needs_this_option"?  :)
> 
> Naming is hard...
> 
> greg k-h
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From: okaya@codeaurora.org
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@linaro.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	timur@codeaurora.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Dongdong Liu <liudongdong3@huawei.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Thymo van Beers <thymovanbeers@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Frederick Lawler <fred@fredlawl.com>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Oza Pawandeep <poza@codeaurora.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: Add pci=safemode option
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 00:56:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577f01ada5e7f08c79a28d41020fb019@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180530074822.GB30177@kroah.com>

On 2018-05-30 00:48, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:44:29AM -0700, okaya@codeaurora.org wrote:
>> On 2018-05-30 00:37, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 09:41:33PM -0700, Sinan Kaya wrote:
>> > > Bjorn and I discussed the need for such a "safe" mode feature when you
>> > > want to bring up PCI for a platform. You want to turn off everything
>> > > as
>> > > a starter and just stick to bare minimum.
>> >
>> > Can we please make it a config option the instead of adding code
>> > to every kernel?  Also maybe the bringup should be in the name
>> > to make this more clear?
>> 
>> One other requirement was to have a runtime option rather than compile 
>> time
>> option.
>> 
>> When someone reported a problem, we wanted to be able to say "use this
>> option and see if system boots" without doing any bisects or 
>> recompilation.
>> 
>> This would be the first step in troubleshooting a system to see if
>> fundamental features are working.
> 
> That makes sense, people can not rebuild their kernels for the most
> part.  Putting it behind a config option would not make sense as it
> would always have to be enabled.
> 

Here is where the discussion took place. Last 5-10  messages should 
help.


https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196197


>> I don't mind changing the name Bjorn mentioned safe option. I made it
>> safemode. I am looking at Bjorn for suggestions at this moment.
> 
> "minimal"?  "basic"?  "crippled"?
> "my_hardware_is_so_borked_it_needs_this_option"?  :)
> 
> Naming is hard...
> 
> greg k-h

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From: okaya@codeaurora.org (okaya at codeaurora.org)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] PCI: Add pci=safemode option
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 00:56:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577f01ada5e7f08c79a28d41020fb019@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180530074822.GB30177@kroah.com>

On 2018-05-30 00:48, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:44:29AM -0700, okaya at codeaurora.org wrote:
>> On 2018-05-30 00:37, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 09:41:33PM -0700, Sinan Kaya wrote:
>> > > Bjorn and I discussed the need for such a "safe" mode feature when you
>> > > want to bring up PCI for a platform. You want to turn off everything
>> > > as
>> > > a starter and just stick to bare minimum.
>> >
>> > Can we please make it a config option the instead of adding code
>> > to every kernel?  Also maybe the bringup should be in the name
>> > to make this more clear?
>> 
>> One other requirement was to have a runtime option rather than compile 
>> time
>> option.
>> 
>> When someone reported a problem, we wanted to be able to say "use this
>> option and see if system boots" without doing any bisects or 
>> recompilation.
>> 
>> This would be the first step in troubleshooting a system to see if
>> fundamental features are working.
> 
> That makes sense, people can not rebuild their kernels for the most
> part.  Putting it behind a config option would not make sense as it
> would always have to be enabled.
> 

Here is where the discussion took place. Last 5-10  messages should 
help.


https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196197


>> I don't mind changing the name Bjorn mentioned safe option. I made it
>> safemode. I am looking at Bjorn for suggestions at this moment.
> 
> "minimal"?  "basic"?  "crippled"?
> "my_hardware_is_so_borked_it_needs_this_option"?  :)
> 
> Naming is hard...
> 
> greg k-h

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: okaya@codeaurora.org
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, timur@codeaurora.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@linaro.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Thymo van Beers <thymovanbeers@gmail.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>,
	Dongdong Liu <liudongdong3@huawei.com>,
	Frederick Lawler <fred@fredlawl.com>,
	Oza Pawandeep <poza@codeaurora.org>,
	Gabriele Paoloni <gabriele.paoloni@huawei.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] PCI: Add pci=safemode option
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 00:56:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <577f01ada5e7f08c79a28d41020fb019@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180530074822.GB30177@kroah.com>

On 2018-05-30 00:48, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:44:29AM -0700, okaya@codeaurora.org wrote:
>> On 2018-05-30 00:37, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 09:41:33PM -0700, Sinan Kaya wrote:
>> > > Bjorn and I discussed the need for such a "safe" mode feature when you
>> > > want to bring up PCI for a platform. You want to turn off everything
>> > > as
>> > > a starter and just stick to bare minimum.
>> >
>> > Can we please make it a config option the instead of adding code
>> > to every kernel?  Also maybe the bringup should be in the name
>> > to make this more clear?
>> 
>> One other requirement was to have a runtime option rather than compile 
>> time
>> option.
>> 
>> When someone reported a problem, we wanted to be able to say "use this
>> option and see if system boots" without doing any bisects or 
>> recompilation.
>> 
>> This would be the first step in troubleshooting a system to see if
>> fundamental features are working.
> 
> That makes sense, people can not rebuild their kernels for the most
> part.  Putting it behind a config option would not make sense as it
> would always have to be enabled.
> 

Here is where the discussion took place. Last 5-10  messages should 
help.


https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196197


>> I don't mind changing the name Bjorn mentioned safe option. I made it
>> safemode. I am looking at Bjorn for suggestions at this moment.
> 
> "minimal"?  "basic"?  "crippled"?
> "my_hardware_is_so_borked_it_needs_this_option"?  :)
> 
> Naming is hard...
> 
> greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-30  7:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-30  3:19 [PATCH] PCI: Add pci=safemode option Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  3:19 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  3:19 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  3:19 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  3:19 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  4:31 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:31   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:31   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:31   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:31   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:41   ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  4:41     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  4:41     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  4:41     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  4:41     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30  4:55     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:55       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:55       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:55       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  4:55       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  7:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-30  7:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-30  7:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-30  7:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-30  7:37       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-30  7:44       ` okaya
2018-05-30  7:44         ` okaya
2018-05-30  7:44         ` okaya at codeaurora.org
2018-05-30  7:44         ` okaya
2018-05-30  7:44         ` okaya
2018-05-30  7:48         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  7:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  7:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  7:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  7:48           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-05-30  7:56           ` okaya [this message]
2018-05-30  7:56             ` okaya
2018-05-30  7:56             ` okaya at codeaurora.org
2018-05-30  7:56             ` okaya
2018-05-30  7:56             ` okaya
2018-05-30  8:22             ` okaya
2018-05-30  8:22               ` okaya
2018-05-30  8:22               ` okaya at codeaurora.org
2018-05-30  8:22               ` okaya
2018-05-30  8:22               ` okaya
2018-05-30 14:56         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-30 14:56           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-30 14:56           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-30 14:56           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-30 14:56           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-05-30 15:28           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30 15:28             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30 15:28             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-05-30 15:28             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-06-02 17:43     ` Pavel Machek
2018-06-02 17:43       ` Pavel Machek
2018-06-02 17:43       ` Pavel Machek
2018-06-02 17:43       ` Pavel Machek
2018-06-02 17:57       ` okaya
2018-06-02 17:57         ` okaya
2018-06-02 17:57         ` okaya at codeaurora.org
2018-06-02 17:57         ` okaya
2018-06-02 17:57         ` okaya

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