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From: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
To: linux-mm@kvack.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/22] Simplify special kernel page table handling
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 17:07:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6d167aaa-e9b0-4687-970c-1c67d0df6344@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260714-remove_pgtable_cdtor-v1-0-44be8a7685d7@arm.com>

On 14/07/2026 16:03, Kevin Brodsky wrote:
> Page table constructors and destructors were originally introduced
> specifically for user PTE pages. Over time, their use became more
> widespread, and starting from v6.16 they are called at all levels
> and for both user and kernel page tables [1]. Or so I thought. Turns
> out, we still have various special kernel page tables where the
> ctor/dtor are not called; vmemmap page tables is one such case.
>
> Looking closer, we do not actually need per-level ctors for kernel
> page tables. In fact we do not need ctors for them at all, because
> nothing is specific to kernel page tables in the ctor/dtor and
> nowadays they should be allocated with pagetable_alloc().
>
> Here's the plan: all the generic page table handling moves to
> pagetable_{alloc,free}(). Whatever is left is specific to user page
> tables; the ctor/dtor are only called for user page tables at the
> required levels (PTE/PMD), and renamed to make that clear.
>
> Doing this will allow us to remove a good amount of special casing,
> but there's quite a bit of churn to get there. Here's what this
> series does:
>
> 1. Introduce the concept of "kernel mm" and replace most comparisons
>    with &init_mm with a flag check (patch 1-12); no functional change
>    so far.
>
> 2. Move the page table accounting/type setting to pagetable_{alloc,free}
>    (patch 13-15). Kernel mm's do not need to call the ctor/dtor any
>    more.

The underlying assumption here is that pagetable_{alloc,free} are used
wherever the ctor/dtor are called, and as Sashiko pointed out there are
counterexamples:

1. sparc32 calls the ctor/dtor for user PTE pages, but uses a custom
allocator.

2. archs that do not select MMU_GATHER_TABLE_FREE do not use
pagetable_free() in tlb_remove_table().

3. arch_remove_memory() and vmemmap_free() are a bit of a mess - some
archs call the dtor and/or use pagetable_free() for freeing the direct
map page tables, some don't.

How I'm thinking to address these:

1. sparc32 does not use split ptlocks, so maybe doing the memory
accounting explicitly? Otherwise, we may need to keep the page type
handling + memory accounting in a separate helper that sparc32 can
explicitly call.

2. Always enable MMU_GATHER_TABLE_FREE. pagetable_free() should always
be used for pages allocated with pagetable_alloc().

3. Go through all the implementations of memory hotplug and vmemmap, and
ensure that pagetable_free() is used for those pages allocated with
pagetable_free() (and only those). That may well call for a separate series.

- Kevin

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From: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
To: linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	loongarch@lists.linux.dev,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org,
	Madhavan Srinivasan <maddy@linux.ibm.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Paul Walmsley <pjw@kernel.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andreas Larsson <andreas@gaisler.com>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ning Sun <ning.sun@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, tboot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	linux-efi@vger.kernel.org, Vishal Moola <vishal.moola@gmail.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/22] Simplify special kernel page table handling
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 17:07:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6d167aaa-e9b0-4687-970c-1c67d0df6344@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260714-remove_pgtable_cdtor-v1-0-44be8a7685d7@arm.com>

On 14/07/2026 16:03, Kevin Brodsky wrote:
> Page table constructors and destructors were originally introduced
> specifically for user PTE pages. Over time, their use became more
> widespread, and starting from v6.16 they are called at all levels
> and for both user and kernel page tables [1]. Or so I thought. Turns
> out, we still have various special kernel page tables where the
> ctor/dtor are not called; vmemmap page tables is one such case.
>
> Looking closer, we do not actually need per-level ctors for kernel
> page tables. In fact we do not need ctors for them at all, because
> nothing is specific to kernel page tables in the ctor/dtor and
> nowadays they should be allocated with pagetable_alloc().
>
> Here's the plan: all the generic page table handling moves to
> pagetable_{alloc,free}(). Whatever is left is specific to user page
> tables; the ctor/dtor are only called for user page tables at the
> required levels (PTE/PMD), and renamed to make that clear.
>
> Doing this will allow us to remove a good amount of special casing,
> but there's quite a bit of churn to get there. Here's what this
> series does:
>
> 1. Introduce the concept of "kernel mm" and replace most comparisons
>    with &init_mm with a flag check (patch 1-12); no functional change
>    so far.
>
> 2. Move the page table accounting/type setting to pagetable_{alloc,free}
>    (patch 13-15). Kernel mm's do not need to call the ctor/dtor any
>    more.

The underlying assumption here is that pagetable_{alloc,free} are used
wherever the ctor/dtor are called, and as Sashiko pointed out there are
counterexamples:

1. sparc32 calls the ctor/dtor for user PTE pages, but uses a custom
allocator.

2. archs that do not select MMU_GATHER_TABLE_FREE do not use
pagetable_free() in tlb_remove_table().

3. arch_remove_memory() and vmemmap_free() are a bit of a mess - some
archs call the dtor and/or use pagetable_free() for freeing the direct
map page tables, some don't.

How I'm thinking to address these:

1. sparc32 does not use split ptlocks, so maybe doing the memory
accounting explicitly? Otherwise, we may need to keep the page type
handling + memory accounting in a separate helper that sparc32 can
explicitly call.

2. Always enable MMU_GATHER_TABLE_FREE. pagetable_free() should always
be used for pages allocated with pagetable_alloc().

3. Go through all the implementations of memory hotplug and vmemmap, and
ensure that pagetable_free() is used for those pages allocated with
pagetable_free() (and only those). That may well call for a separate series.

- Kevin

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Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-14 14:03 [PATCH 00/22] Simplify special kernel page table handling Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 01/22] mm: drop unused __mm_flags_set_mask_bits_word() Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 02/22] mm: move mm_flags helpers to mm_types.h Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 03/22] mm: introduce MMF_KERNEL flag and set it for init_mm Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:47   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 14:47     ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 15:04     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-14 15:04       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 04/22] mm: use mm_is_kernel() in generic page table code Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:28   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 05/22] arm64: mm: use mm_is_kernel() for kernel mm checks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 06/22] loongarch: mm: use mm_is_kernel() in switch_mm_irqs_off() Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 07/22] parisc: mm: use mm_is_kernel() for kernel mm checks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 08/22] powerpc: " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 09/22] s390: " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 10/22] sparc: " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 11/22] um: mm: use mm_is_kernel() in TLB sync Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 12/22] x86/mm: use mm_is_kernel() for kernel mm checks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 15:09   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 15:09     ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 13/22] mm: account page table pages when allocated Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:54   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 14/22] mm: set page table page type " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:54   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-14 15:16   ` Vishal Moola
2026-07-14 15:16     ` Vishal Moola
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 15/22] mm: only initialise pt_share_count for user pgtables Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 16/22] efi: mark efi_mm as a kernel mm Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 15:16   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 17/22] mm: pagewalk: drop redundant address check for kernel mm walks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:42   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 18/22] arm64: mm: drop explicit mm_is_efi() check in contpte Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 19/22] x86/tboot: mark tboot_mm as a kernel mm Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 15:19   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 15:19     ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 20/22] arm64: mm: drop ctor/dtor calls for kernel page tables Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:56   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 21/22] arm: mm: drop ctor call " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 22/22] riscv: mm: drop ctor/dtor calls " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-15 15:07 ` Kevin Brodsky [this message]
2026-07-15 15:07   ` [PATCH 00/22] Simplify special kernel page table handling Kevin Brodsky

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