From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 7/11] virtio_pci: new, capability-aware driver.
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:55:52 +1030 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8762gj6q5r.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120110170334.GA18404@redhat.com>
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:03:36 +0200, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:03:25AM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > Yes. The idea that we can alter fields in the device-specific config
> > area is flawed. There may be cases where it doesn't matter, but as an
> > idea it was holed to begin with.
> >
> > We can reduce probability by doing a double read to check, but there are
> > still cases where it will fail.
>
> Okay - want me to propose an interface for that?
Had a brief chat with BenH (CC'd).
I think we should deprecate writing to the config space. Only balloon
does it AFAICT, and I can't quite figure out *why* it has an 'active'
field. This solves half the problem, of sync guest writes. For the
other half, I suggest a generation counter; odd means inconsistent. The
guest can poll.
BenH also convinced me we should finally make the config space LE if
we're going to change things. Since PCI is the most common transport,
guest-endian confuses people. And it sucks for really weird machines.
We should also change the ring (to a single ring, I think). Descriptors
to 24 bytes long (8 byte cookie, 8 byte addr, 4 byte len, 4 byte flags).
We might be able to squeeze it into 20 bytes but that means packing. We
should support inline, chained or indirect. Let the other side ack by
setting flag, cookie and len (if written).
Moreover, I think we should make all these changes at once (at least, in
the spec). That makes it a big change, and it'll take longer to
develop, but makes it easy in the long run to differentiate legacy and
modern virtio.
Thoughts?
Rusty.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-11 0:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-12-08 10:22 [PATCH 0/11] RFC: PCI using capabilitities Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:30 ` [RFC 1/11] virtio: use u32, not bitmap for struct virtio_device's features Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:31 ` [RFC 2/11] virtio: add support for 64 bit features Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:32 ` [PATCH 0/11] RFC: PCI using capabilitities Sasha Levin
2011-12-08 10:32 ` [RFC 3/11] pci: add pci_iomap_range Rusty Russell
2011-12-15 8:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-16 1:56 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-26 14:05 ` [PATCHv2 RFC] " Michael S Tsirkin
2011-12-26 14:05 ` Michael S Tsirkin
2011-12-08 10:34 ` [RFC 4/11] virtio-pci: define layout for virtio vendor-specific capabilities Rusty Russell
2011-12-10 21:14 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-08 10:35 ` [RFC 6/11] virtio_pci: move old defines to legacy, introduce new structure Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:38 ` [RFC 6/11] virtio_pci: don't use the legacy driver if we find the new PCI capabilities Rusty Russell
2011-12-10 21:18 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 5:15 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-11 9:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-08 10:39 ` [RFC 7/11] virtio_pci: new, capability-aware driver Rusty Russell
2011-12-11 9:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-11 22:45 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-12 11:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-12 18:10 ` Don Dutile
2011-12-16 1:58 ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-28 7:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 1:17 ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-29 10:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30 2:17 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-12 18:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-13 2:21 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-15 8:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-16 1:50 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-18 10:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-19 6:06 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-19 9:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-19 11:08 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-20 11:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-21 0:33 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-21 9:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-10 17:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 0:25 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2012-01-11 1:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 8:47 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11 9:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 14:28 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11 15:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 17:21 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11 18:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 20:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 20:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 10:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-11 10:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 21:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 22:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 22:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 22:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 5:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12 6:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 6:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12 2:01 ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-12 4:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 6:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12 6:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 6:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-12 7:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 6:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-13 3:22 ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-11 13:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 15:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 15:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 15:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 15:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 15:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 16:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 17:08 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 19:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 20:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 20:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-11 21:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 22:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 22:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 1:42 ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-13 2:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-13 2:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-18 15:29 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-22 22:53 ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-18 4:52 ` Rusty Russell
2012-01-11 21:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-01-11 20:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 20:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-11 20:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-01-12 1:35 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:40 ` [RFC 8/11] virtio_pci: share structure between legacy and modern Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:41 ` [RFC 9/11] virtio_pci: share interrupt/notify handlers " Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:42 ` [RFC 10/11] virtio_pci: share virtqueue setup/teardown between modern and legacy driver Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 10:44 ` [RFC 11/11] virtio_pci: simplify common helpers Rusty Russell
2011-12-08 15:37 ` [PATCH 0/11] RFC: PCI using capabilitities Sasha Levin
2011-12-08 15:37 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-09 6:17 ` Rusty Russell
2011-12-10 21:32 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 9:05 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-11 10:03 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 12:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-11 12:48 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 12:48 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 12:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-12-11 12:53 ` Sasha Levin
2011-12-11 12:53 ` Sasha Levin
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