From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: Zhang Chen <zhangckid@gmail.com>
Cc: "Lukas Straub" <lukasstraub2@web.de>,
"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Juraj Marcin" <jmarcin@redhat.com>,
"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
"Juan Quintela" <quintela@trasno.org>,
"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>,
zhanghailiang@xfusion.com, "Li Zhijian" <lizhijian@fujitsu.com>,
"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] migration/colo: Deprecate COLO migration framework
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2026 10:41:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ecnpyjw7.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK3tnvKUXk9yvvTKC6cJOKnMJrhZz6W_ZuKze=rqj8JHAREg1g@mail.gmail.com> (Zhang Chen's message of "Fri, 16 Jan 2026 16:22:19 +0800")
Zhang Chen <zhangckid@gmail.com> writes:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 2:26 PM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> Lukas Straub <lukasstraub2@web.de> writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 15:11:55 -0500
>> > Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 02:56:57PM -0500, Peter Xu wrote:
>> >> > COLO was broken for QEMU release 10.0/10.1 without anyone noticed. One
>> >> > reason might be that we don't have an unit test for COLO (which we
>> >> > explicitly require now for any new migration feature). The other reason
>> >> > should be that there are just no more active COLO users, at least based on
>> >> > the latest development of QEMU.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't remember seeing anything really active in the past few years in
>> >> > COLO development.
>> >> >
>> >> > Meanwhile, COLO migration framework maintainer (Hailiang Zhang)'s last
>> >> > email to qemu-devel is in Dec 2021 where the patch proposed an email
>> >> > change (<20211214075424.6920-1-zhanghailiang@xfusion.com>).
>> >> >
>> >> > We've discussed this for a while, see latest discussions here (our thoughts
>> >> > of deprecating COLO framework might be earlier than that, but still):
>> >> >
>> >> > https://lore.kernel.org/r/aQu6bDAA7hnIPg-y@x1.local/
>> >> > https://lore.kernel.org/r/20251230-colo_unit_test_multifd-v1-0-f9734bc74c71@web.de
>> >> >
>> >> > Let's make it partly official and put COLO into deprecation list. If
>> >> > anyone cares about COLO and is deploying it, please send an email to
>> >> > qemu-devel to discuss.
>> >> >
>> >> > Otherwise, let's try to save some energy for either maintainers or
>> >> > developers who is looking after QEMU. Let's save the work if we don't even
>> >> > know what the work is for.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cc: Lukáš Doktor <ldoktor@redhat.com>
>> >>
>> >> My apologize, I copied the wrong email.
>> >>
>> >> Cc: Lukas Straub <lukasstraub2@web.de>
>> >
>> > Nack.
>> >
>> > This code has users, as explained in my other email:
>> > https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20260115224516.7f0309ba@penguin/T/#mc99839451d6841366619c4ec0d5af5264e2f6464
>>
>> Code being useful is not enough. We must have people to maintain it
>> adequately. This has not been the case for COLO in years.
>>
>> Deprecating a feature with intent to remove it is not a death sentence.
>> It's a *suspended* death sentence: if somebody steps up to maintain it,
>> we can revert the deprecation, or extend the grace period to give them a
>> chance.
>>
>> I think we should deprecate COLO now to send a clear distress signal.
>> The deprecation notice should explain it doesn't work, and will be
>> removed unless people step up to fix it and to maintain it. This will
>> ensure progress one way or the other. Doing nothing now virtually
>> ensures we'll have the same discussion again later.
>>
>> "Broken for two releases without anyone noticing" and "maintainer absent
>> for more than four years" doesn't exacltly inspire hope, though. We
>> should seriously consider removing it right away.
>>
>> Lukas, can you give us hope?
>>
>
> Hi Markus,
> Maybe you missed something?
> I think Lukas is ready to maintain this code in his previous emails.
> https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20260115224516.7f0309ba@penguin/T/#mc99839451d6841366619c4ec0d5af5264e2f6464
Patch to MAINTAINERS or it didn't happen ;)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-16 9:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-14 19:56 [PATCH 0/3] migration: deprecations and removals for 11.0 Peter Xu
2026-01-14 19:56 ` [PATCH 1/3] migration/colo: Deprecate COLO migration framework Peter Xu
2026-01-14 20:11 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 21:49 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-15 22:39 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 22:59 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-15 23:38 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 0:37 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-16 8:16 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-16 7:47 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-17 19:49 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-17 20:15 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-19 22:33 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-20 11:48 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-20 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-20 19:04 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-20 19:50 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-21 1:25 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-21 17:03 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-21 17:31 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-21 20:22 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-21 21:31 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-21 22:22 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 7:05 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-16 9:46 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-01-16 13:56 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 6:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-16 8:22 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-16 9:41 ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2026-01-16 14:08 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 15:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-14 21:13 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-15 5:56 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-15 18:53 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-14 19:56 ` [PATCH 2/3] migration: Remove zero-blocks capability Peter Xu
2026-01-15 6:00 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-15 18:53 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-14 19:56 ` [PATCH 3/3] migration: Remove fd: support on files Peter Xu
2026-01-14 22:10 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 12:15 ` Prasad Pandit
2026-01-15 17:39 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 6:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] migration: deprecations and removals for 11.0 Markus Armbruster
2026-01-15 18:58 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 14:37 ` Fabiano Rosas
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