From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>
Cc: "Lukas Straub" <lukasstraub2@web.de>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Juraj Marcin" <jmarcin@redhat.com>,
"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
"Lukáš Doktor" <ldoktor@redhat.com>,
"Juan Quintela" <quintela@trasno.org>,
"Zhang Chen" <zhangckid@gmail.com>,
zhanghailiang@xfusion.com, "Li Zhijian" <lizhijian@fujitsu.com>,
"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] migration/colo: Deprecate COLO migration framework
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 18:38:51 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWl6ixQpHaMJhV_E@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWlxY9TWGT1aaMJz@gallifrey>
On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 10:59:47PM +0000, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Peter Xu (peterx@redhat.com) wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 10:49:29PM +0100, Lukas Straub wrote:
> > > Nack.
> > >
> > > This code has users, as explained in my other email:
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20260115224516.7f0309ba@penguin/T/#mc99839451d6841366619c4ec0d5af5264e2f6464
> >
> > Please then rework that series and consider include the following (I
> > believe I pointed out a long time ago somewhere..):
> >
>
> > - Some form of justification of why multifd needs to be enabled for COLO.
> > For example, in your cluster deployment, using multifd can improve XXX
> > by YYY. Please describe the use case and improvements.
>
> That one is pretty easy; since COLO is regularly taking snapshots, the faster
> the snapshoting the less overhead there is.
Thanks for chiming in, Dave. I can explain why I want to request for some
numbers.
Firstly, numbers normally proves it's used in a real system. It's at least
being used and seriously tested.
Secondly, per my very limited understanding to COLO... the two VMs in most
cases should be in-sync state already when both sides generate the same
network packets.
Another sync (where multifd can start to take effect) is only needed when
there're packets misalignments, but IIUC it should be rare. I don't know
how rare it is, it would be good if Lukas could introduce some of those
numbers in his deployment to help us understand COLO better if we'll need
to keep it.
IIUC, the critical path of COLO shouldn't be migration on its own? It
should be when heartbeat gets lost; that normally should happen when two
VMs are in sync. In this path, I don't see how multifd helps.. because
there's no migration happening, only the src recording what has changed.
Hence I think some number with description of the measurements may help us
understand how important multifd is to COLO.
Supporting multifd will cause new COLO functions to inject into core
migration code paths (even if not much..). I want to make sure such (new)
complexity is justified. I also want to avoid introducing a feature only
because "we have XXX, then let's support XXX in COLO too, maybe some day
it'll be useful".
After these days, I found removing code is sometimes harder than writting
new..
Thanks,
>
> Lukas: Given COLO has a bunch of different features (i.e. the block
> replication, the clever network comparison etc) do you know which ones
> are used in the setups you are aware of?
>
> I'd guess the tricky part of a test would be the network side; I'm
> not too sure how you'd set that in a test.
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-15 23:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-14 19:56 [PATCH 0/3] migration: deprecations and removals for 11.0 Peter Xu
2026-01-14 19:56 ` [PATCH 1/3] migration/colo: Deprecate COLO migration framework Peter Xu
2026-01-14 20:11 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 21:49 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-15 22:39 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 22:59 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-15 23:38 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2026-01-16 0:37 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-16 8:16 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-16 7:47 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-17 19:49 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-17 20:15 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-19 22:33 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-20 11:48 ` Lukas Straub
2026-01-20 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-20 19:04 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-20 19:50 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-21 1:25 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-21 17:03 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-21 17:31 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-21 20:22 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-21 21:31 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-21 22:22 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 7:05 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-16 9:46 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2026-01-16 13:56 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 6:26 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-16 8:22 ` Zhang Chen
2026-01-16 9:41 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-16 14:08 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-16 15:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-14 21:13 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-15 5:56 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-15 18:53 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-14 19:56 ` [PATCH 2/3] migration: Remove zero-blocks capability Peter Xu
2026-01-15 6:00 ` Markus Armbruster
2026-01-15 18:53 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-14 19:56 ` [PATCH 3/3] migration: Remove fd: support on files Peter Xu
2026-01-14 22:10 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 12:15 ` Prasad Pandit
2026-01-15 17:39 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 6:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] migration: deprecations and removals for 11.0 Markus Armbruster
2026-01-15 18:58 ` Peter Xu
2026-01-15 14:37 ` Fabiano Rosas
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