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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 3/5] pidns: Don't have unshare(CLONE_NEWPID) imply CLONE_THREAD
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:49:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ppsuviwb.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130830163805.GB18857-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org> (Serge E. Hallyn's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:38:05 +0000")

"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org):
>> 
>> I goofed when I made unshare(CLONE_NEWPID) only work in a
>> single-threaded process.  There is no need for that requirement and in
>> fact I analyzied things right for setns.  The hard requirement
>> is for tasks that share a VM to all be in the pid namespace and
>> we properly prevent that in do_fork.
>
> I don't understand though - copy_process does have the right test:
>
>    1176          * If the new process will be in a different pid namespace
>    1177          * don't allow the creation of threads.
>    1178          */
>    1179         if ((clone_flags & (CLONE_VM|CLONE_NEWPID)) &&
>    1180             (task_active_pid_ns(current) != current->nsproxy->pid_ns))
>    1181                 return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
>
> but why is it ok for sys_unshare not to do that?  Note that
> in order for check_unshare_flags() to bail on &current->mm->mm_users > 1
> you do have to set CLONE_VM (for inverse interpretation).
>
> So it seems to me this isn't safe as is, and we need to at least
> set CLONE_VM if CLONE_PID is set.

Partly this is the difference in the meaning of the flags between
unshare and clone.

Basically in unshare all othat gets changed is
current->nsproxy->pid_ns_for_children (the rename is in the net tree).

So because unshare of the pid namespace does not actually effect the
current processes, just the pid namespace the children of the current
thread will be in this is safe.

And frankly having the checks be obviously different is a good thing
because it means that people will ask why in the world this is so and
realize the difference in meaning.

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Cc: Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 3/5] pidns: Don't have unshare(CLONE_NEWPID) imply CLONE_THREAD
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:49:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ppsuviwb.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130830163805.GB18857@mail.hallyn.com> (Serge E. Hallyn's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:38:05 +0000")

"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com> writes:

> Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm@xmission.com):
>> 
>> I goofed when I made unshare(CLONE_NEWPID) only work in a
>> single-threaded process.  There is no need for that requirement and in
>> fact I analyzied things right for setns.  The hard requirement
>> is for tasks that share a VM to all be in the pid namespace and
>> we properly prevent that in do_fork.
>
> I don't understand though - copy_process does have the right test:
>
>    1176          * If the new process will be in a different pid namespace
>    1177          * don't allow the creation of threads.
>    1178          */
>    1179         if ((clone_flags & (CLONE_VM|CLONE_NEWPID)) &&
>    1180             (task_active_pid_ns(current) != current->nsproxy->pid_ns))
>    1181                 return ERR_PTR(-EINVAL);
>
> but why is it ok for sys_unshare not to do that?  Note that
> in order for check_unshare_flags() to bail on &current->mm->mm_users > 1
> you do have to set CLONE_VM (for inverse interpretation).
>
> So it seems to me this isn't safe as is, and we need to at least
> set CLONE_VM if CLONE_PID is set.

Partly this is the difference in the meaning of the flags between
unshare and clone.

Basically in unshare all othat gets changed is
current->nsproxy->pid_ns_for_children (the rename is in the net tree).

So because unshare of the pid namespace does not actually effect the
current processes, just the pid namespace the children of the current
thread will be in this is safe.

And frankly having the checks be obviously different is a good thing
because it means that people will ask why in the world this is so and
realize the difference in meaning.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-30 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-29 23:52 [REVIEW][PATCH 0/5] A couple of lingering namespace patches Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-29 23:52 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] ` <87ob8gys0d.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-29 23:53   ` [REVIEW][PATCH 1/5] namespaces: Simplify copy_namespaces so it is clear what is going on Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-29 23:53     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <87ioyoyryr.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-30 16:10       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-08-30 16:10         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-08-29 23:54   ` [REVIEW][PATCH 2/5] userns: Allow PR_CAPBSET_DROP in a user namespace Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-29 23:54     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <87eh9cyrxj.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-30  1:15       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-08-30  1:15         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-08-29 23:55   ` [REVIEW][PATCH 3/5] pidns: Don't have unshare(CLONE_NEWPID) imply CLONE_THREAD Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-29 23:55     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <87a9k0yrvu.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-30 16:38       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-08-30 16:38         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20130830163805.GB18857-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-30 23:49           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2013-08-30 23:49             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <87ppsuviwb.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-31  5:31               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-08-31  5:31                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-09-08 17:00       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-08 17:00         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-08-29 23:55   ` [REVIEW][PATCH 4/5] capabilities: allow nice if we are privileged Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-29 23:55     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-29 23:56   ` [REVIEW][PATCH 5/5] userns: Kill nsown_capable it makes the wrong thing easy Eric W. Biederman
2013-08-29 23:56     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <871u5cyrst.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-08-30  1:14       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2013-08-30  1:14     ` Serge E. Hallyn

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