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From: Jason Andryuk <jason.andryuk@amd.com>
To: "Daniel P. Smith" <dpsmith@apertussolutions.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 17/24] XSM: make Argo hooks well-formed ones
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2026 21:12:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e940641-ce6b-4e8b-b731-34e87f824d9b@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <684d46e1-4f10-4034-93c1-d0bbb495e5ab@apertussolutions.com>

On 2026-08-13 08:09, Daniel P. Smith wrote:
> On 8/6/26 10:09 AM, Jason Andryuk wrote:
>> On 2026-08-06 03:16, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> On 06.08.2026 01:02, Daniel P. Smith wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/26 9:22 AM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>> @@ -2307,7 +2308,7 @@ argo_init(struct domain *d)
>>>>>    {
>>>>>        struct argo_domain *argo;
>>>>> -    if ( !opt_argo || xsm_argo_enable(d) )
>>>>> +    if ( !opt_argo || xsm_argo_enable(XSM_HOOK, d) )
>>>>
>>>> This question came up on another thread, so thought I might point it 
>>>> out
>>>> that when FLASK is in use this can return a nubmer of error codes 
>>>> beyond
>>>> an access deny. While I know it's the existing behavior, but if the
>>>> error code is anything other than -EPERM, then it's not that the policy
>>>> denied the access but something cause a fault in the security 
>>>> server. In
>>>> that case the domain is still being allowed to construct with the
>>>> assumption that it was a policy deny. At a minimum should the error 
>>>> code
>>>> at least get reported, and perhaps it should be passed up to domain
>>>> construction to allowing it to make an informed decision on 
>>>> construction?
>>>
>>> Sounds plausible, but definitely wants doing in a separate patch.
>>
>> I think this is a mis-use of xsm_argo_enable().  As I wrote in [1], 
>> this isn't an access decision, but an ~optimization to skip 
>> initializing argo data structures when a domain is not allowed to use 
>> argo.
>>
> 
> I would have to respectfully disagree. The operation is to initialize 
> the domain for argo usage and the access check says do not allow 
> initialization if the domain does not have the privilege. This basic 
> defense in depth, do not initialize for some thing you should not have 
> access to, and thus not just relying on the later checks.

I was thinking of it as robustness.  If you always initialize argo, then 
you don't have to check ->argo for NULL for each domain.  Though, if you 
want to selectively allow argo for individual domains, you have to check 
something anyway.

>> With Flask, this prints an AVC denial during domain construction when 
>> the domain doesn't have argo enabled.  That is misleading as it isn't 
>> the domain's action causing the access.  In OpenXT, I wrote a patch to 
>> add a noaudit variant to hide the denial.  I didn't upstream it 
>> because I didn't really like it.
>>
> 
> The customer has ran OpenXT through the code evaluation models that they 
> have access to and your patch was flagged. Not for being technically 
> incorrect, but raised policy questions on whether is was desirable to 
> silence the event.
Again, xsm_argo_enable(d) is used for two purposes:
  - Access to the argo_op hypercall: current == d
  - This argo_init(d) call: current != d

Domain create always goes through argo_init().  current triggers the 
denial, but it is logged against d.  This is misleading as d did not 
perform any operation.

Regards,
Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-15  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-28 13:10 [PATCH 00/24] XSM: follow-on to XSAs 492 and 499 Jan Beulich
2026-07-28 13:13 ` [PATCH 01/24] XSM: reduce redundancy in hook machinery Jan Beulich
2026-07-30 15:05   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-30 15:18     ` Jan Beulich
2026-07-30 18:21       ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-31  8:03         ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 14:46           ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:14 ` [PATCH 02/24] XSM: make .grant_*() hooks dependent upon GRANT_TABLE=y Jan Beulich
2026-07-30 18:23   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:14 ` [PATCH 03/24] XSM: make .{,un}map_domain_pirq() hooks dependent upon HAS_PIRQ=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 14:50   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:14 ` [PATCH 04/24] XSM: make PCI hooks dependent upon HAS_PCI=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 14:53   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:15 ` [PATCH 05/24] XSM: make .iomem_mapping_vcpi() hook dependent upon HAS_VPCI=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 14:56   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:15 ` [PATCH 06/24] XSM: make .kexec() hook dependent upon KEXEC=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 14:57   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:15 ` [PATCH 07/24] XSM: make .hypfs() hook dependent upon HYPFS=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 14:58   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:16 ` [PATCH 08/24] XSM: make .hvm_altp2mhvm_op() hook dependent upon ALTP2M=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 14:58   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:17 ` [PATCH 09/24] XSM: make .hvm_param*() hooks dependent upon HVM=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 15:05   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-03  9:55     ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 15:05   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:17 ` [PATCH 10/24] XSM: make .dm_op() hook dependent upon IOREQ_SERVER=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 15:07   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:18 ` [PATCH 11/24] XSM: make certain x86-specific hooks dependent upon PV=y Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 15:08   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:18 ` [PATCH 12/24] x86/mm: get_page_from_l1e() is PV-or-shadow-only Jan Beulich
2026-08-02 15:55   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-03 10:11     ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-13 11:51       ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-13 12:14         ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-13 13:02           ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:19 ` [PATCH 13/24] x86: restrict PHYSDEVOP_* when PV=n Jan Beulich
2026-08-05 22:38   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:19 ` [PATCH 14/24] XSM/dummy: fold cf_check into XSM_INLINE Jan Beulich
2026-08-05 22:39   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:20 ` [PATCH 15/24] XSM/dummy: drop redundant return statements Jan Beulich
2026-08-05 22:40   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:20 ` [PATCH 16/24] XSM: suppress hypercall when XSM=n Jan Beulich
2026-08-05 22:42   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:22 ` [PATCH 17/24] XSM: make Argo hooks well-formed ones Jan Beulich
2026-08-03 21:01   ` Jason Andryuk
2026-08-04  7:53     ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-04 14:27       ` Jason Andryuk
2026-08-05  9:11         ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-06  0:37       ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-05 23:02   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-06  7:16     ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-06 14:09       ` Jason Andryuk
2026-08-13 12:09         ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-15  1:12           ` Jason Andryuk [this message]
2026-07-28 13:22 ` [PATCH 18/24] XSM: make XSM " Jan Beulich
2026-08-06  0:53   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-06  7:22     ` Jan Beulich
2026-07-28 13:23 ` [PATCH 19/24] XSM: convert "allow" (Flask: "access") parameters to bool Jan Beulich
2026-08-06  0:56   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:23 ` [PATCH 20/24] XSM: fold xsm_{,un}map_domain_pirq() hooks Jan Beulich
2026-08-06  1:10   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-06  7:36     ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-06  8:02       ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-13 12:42       ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-08-13 13:02         ` Jan Beulich
2026-08-13 13:05           ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:24 ` [PATCH 21/24] x86: type-correct last parameter of map_domain_pirq() Jan Beulich
2026-07-28 13:25 ` [PATCH 22/24] XSM: pass just SBDF to xsm_{,un}map_domain_irq() Jan Beulich
2026-08-06  1:16   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:26 ` [PATCH 23/24] XSM: fold xsm_{,un}map_domain_irq() hooks Jan Beulich
2026-08-13 11:27   ` Daniel P. Smith
2026-07-28 13:26 ` [PATCH 24/24] XSM: fold xsm_{,un}bind_pt_irq() hooks Jan Beulich
2026-08-13 11:32   ` Daniel P. Smith

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