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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: <ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Christopher K. St. John" <cks@distributopia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/epoll update ...
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:04:53 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010924130453.davidel@xmailserver.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1adzk75r2.fsf@frodo.biederman.org>


On 24-Sep-2001 Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Coroutines or not, this does not change the picture.
>> All multiplexed servers have an IO driven scheduler that calls
>> code sections based on the fd.
>> Obviously if you've a one-thread-per-socket model, epoll is not your answer.
> 
> A couroutine is a thread, the two terms are synonyms.  Generally
> coroutines refer to threads with a high volumne of commniucation
> between them.  And the terms come from different programming groups.
> 
> However a fully cooperative thread (as is implemented in the current
> coroutine library) can be quite cheap, and is a easy way to implement
> a state machine.  A pure state machine will have a smaller data
> footprint than the stack of a cooperative thread, but otherwise
> the concepts are pretty much the same.  Language support for
> cooperative threads, so you could verify you wouldn't overflow your
> stack would be very nice. 
> 
> So epoll is a good solution if you have a one-thread-per-socket model,
> and you are doing cooperative threads.  The thread being used here is
> simply a shortcut to writing a state machine.

If you'd be the os i guess you'd not say the same :)
It was pretty clear the model i meant was one real thread/process per fd.
The main difference with coroutines is that the /dev/epoll engine become
the scheduler of your app.
It's also clear that you can avoid the coroutines by writing a state machine.
There's a HUGE memory save with the stack removal that you pay with a more
complicated code.




- Davide


  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-24 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-19  2:20 [PATCH] /dev/epoll update Dan Kegel
2001-09-19  6:25 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19  7:04 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 15:37   ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-19 15:59     ` Zach Brown
2001-09-19 17:12     ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 17:39     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 18:26     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-19 17:25   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 19:03     ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 19:30       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 21:49         ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 22:11           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 23:24             ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-19 23:52               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  2:13             ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20  2:28               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  3:03                 ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-20 16:58                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20  4:32                 ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20  4:43                   ` Christopher K. St. John
2001-09-20  5:05                     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 18:25                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 19:33                         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2001-09-20 19:58                           ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-20 17:18                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24  0:11                     ` Gordon Oliver
2001-09-24  0:33                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 19:23                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 20:04                       ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2001-09-21  5:59             ` Ton Hospel
2001-09-21 16:48               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-19 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-20  3:49 [patch] " Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BB03C6A.7D1DD7B3@kegel.com>
     [not found] ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BAEB39B.DE7932CF@kegel.com>
     [not found]   ` <local.mail.linux-kernel/3BAF83EF.C8018E45@distributopia.com>
2001-09-25 17:36     ` [PATCH] " Jonathan Lemon
2001-09-25 18:34       ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-24  4:16 Dan Kegel
2001-09-24 19:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-09-24 19:34   ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 20:09     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 21:56       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:08         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:09           ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:20             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-24 22:21               ` Jamie Lokier
2001-09-24 22:30                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-25  9:25             ` Dan Kegel
     [not found] ` <3BAF83EF.C8018E45@distributopia.com>
2001-09-25  8:12   ` Dan Kegel
2001-09-21  6:22 Dan Kegel
2001-09-21 18:45 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-09-07 19:27 Davide Libenzi

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