From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Shameer Kolothum <shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com>,
<qemu-arm@nongnu.org>, <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
<eric.auger@redhat.com>, <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
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<jonathan.cameron@huawei.com>, <zhangfei.gao@linaro.org>,
<zhenzhong.duan@intel.com>, <shameerkolothum@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 14/15] Read and validate host SMMUv3 feature bits
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 11:09:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aHfq6ccB44yupGb1@Asurada-Nvidia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250716174506.GB2177622@nvidia.com>
On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 02:45:06PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 10:35:25AM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 08:51:23AM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 07:57:57PM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> > > > > + val = FIELD_EX32(s_accel->info.idr[5], IDR5, GRAN4K);
> > > > > + if (val < FIELD_EX32(s->idr[5], IDR5, GRAN4K)) {
> > > > > + s->idr[5] = FIELD_DP32(s->idr[5], IDR5, GRAN4K, val);
> > > > > + }
> > > > > + val = FIELD_EX32(s_accel->info.idr[5], IDR5, GRAN16K);
> > > > > + if (val < FIELD_EX32(s->idr[5], IDR5, GRAN16K)) {
> > > > > + s->idr[5] = FIELD_DP32(s->idr[5], IDR5, GRAN16K, val);
> > > > > + }
> > > > > + val = FIELD_EX32(s_accel->info.idr[5], IDR5, GRAN64K);
> > > > > + if (val < FIELD_EX32(s->idr[5], IDR5, GRAN64K)) {
> > > > > + s->idr[5] = FIELD_DP32(s->idr[5], IDR5, GRAN64K, val);
> > > >
> > > > Unless there is some conflicts between the QEMU emulation and the
> > > > SMMU HW, I think we should probably just override these fields to
> > > > the HW values,
> > >
> > > The qemu model should be fully independent of the underlying HW, it
> > > should not override from HW.
> > >
> > > It should check if the underlying supports the model and fail if it
> > > doesn't.
> >
> > For every bit? If there is a conflict at a certain field (e.g.
> > VMM only supports little endian while HW supports big endian),
> > it must fail.
>
> Yes every bit.
>
> > But here, I mean for these specific fields such as GRANxK and
> > RIL (range-based invalidation), we should override them with
> > the HW values. Otherwise, the guest OS seeing RIL for example
> > will issue TLBI commands that the host can't support. Right?
>
> No.
>
> If the SMMU model does not include RIL then RIL is not available to
> the guest.
>
> If the SMMU model only supports GRAN4K, then the guest only uses 4k.
>
> This exactness is critical for live migration. We cannot have the IDRs
> change during live migration.
>
> So there should be some built in models in qemu that define exactly
> what kind of SMMU you get, and things like if 4k/16k/64k or RIL are
> included in that model or not should be command line parameters/etc
> like everything else in qemu..
OK. I see your point. That will leads to a very long list of
parameters.
So, a vSMMU model is defined following the parameters in the
command line. A device (and its attaching SMMU HW) that's not
compatibile should just fail the cold-plug at the beginning.
Then, it shouldn't run into any problem that I encountered.
Thanks
Nicolin
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2025-07-14 16:22 ` Nicolin Chen
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2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 16:27 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-15 9:19 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 9:19 ` Jonathan Cameron via
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2025-07-15 9:27 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 9:27 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/15] hw/arm/smmu-common: Introduce smmu_iommu_ops_by_type() helper Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 16:38 ` Nicolin Chen via
2025-07-14 16:38 ` Nicolin Chen via
2025-07-15 9:30 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 9:30 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-09-04 7:55 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/15] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Introduce smmuv3 accel device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 17:23 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-04 14:33 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-05 8:22 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-05 10:17 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-08 9:15 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-09 13:38 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-15 9:45 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 9:45 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 10:48 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-07-15 17:29 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 3:38 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-07-16 9:27 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 9:27 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-09-04 14:31 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-10 16:10 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/15] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Restrict accelerated SMMUv3 to vfio-pci endpoints with iommufd Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 18:18 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-15 9:51 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 9:51 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 10:53 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-07-15 17:59 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 6:26 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-07-16 9:34 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 9:34 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 10:32 ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-07-16 17:51 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 18:21 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-05 8:34 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-05 8:14 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-08 7:41 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-09 13:34 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-16 8:06 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 8:06 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-09-05 8:29 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-08 7:55 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-08-06 0:55 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-16 10:33 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-17 18:45 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-17 18:52 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-17 19:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-18 13:31 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-18 22:00 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-19 7:38 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-19 18:36 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-20 13:03 ` Peter Maydell
2025-09-22 8:28 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-05 8:42 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-08 8:03 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/15] hw/arm/smmuv3: Implement get_viommu_cap() callback Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 18:31 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-05 8:49 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-08 8:22 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-08 13:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-09-09 13:37 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/15] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Add set/unset_iommu_device callback Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 19:11 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-15 10:29 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 10:29 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 17:01 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 9:33 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-16 9:33 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-09-05 9:27 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-08 8:49 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/15] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Support nested STE install/uninstall support Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 19:37 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-15 23:12 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 8:36 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 8:36 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 18:17 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-05 9:51 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-05 9:40 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/15] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Allocate a vDEVICE object for device Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 19:43 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-05 9:57 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-05 18:36 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/15] hw/pci/pci: Introduce optional get_msi_address_space() callback Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 19:50 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-05 10:11 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-05 10:11 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/15] hw/arm/smmuv3-accel: Introduce helpers to batch and issue cache invalidations Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 19:55 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-15 10:39 ` Jonathan Cameron via
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2025-09-05 10:31 ` Eric Auger
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2025-09-08 19:29 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/15] hw/arm/smmuv3: Forward invalidation commands to hw Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-15 10:46 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 10:46 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 17:22 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 7:32 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 7:32 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-09-05 12:45 ` Eric Auger
2025-09-08 12:22 ` Shameer Kolothum
2025-09-08 20:12 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-09 13:43 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/15] Read and validate host SMMUv3 feature bits Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 20:04 ` Nicolin Chen via
2025-07-14 20:04 ` Nicolin Chen via
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2025-07-16 2:57 ` Nicolin Chen via
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2025-07-16 10:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 10:26 ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi via
2025-07-16 18:37 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 11:51 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-16 17:35 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-16 17:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-16 18:09 ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
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2025-07-16 18:53 ` Nicolin Chen
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2025-07-22 17:42 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-05 13:20 ` Eric Auger
2025-07-14 15:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 15/15] hw/arm/smmu-common: Add accel property for SMMU dev Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 15:59 ` Shameer Kolothum via
2025-07-14 20:00 ` Nicolin Chen
2025-07-15 10:49 ` Jonathan Cameron via
2025-07-15 10:49 ` Jonathan Cameron via
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2025-07-14 16:14 ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/15] hw/arm/virt: Add support for user-creatable accelerated SMMUv3 Nicolin Chen via
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