Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] ALSA: emu10k1: add support for high-bitrate modes of E-MU cards

[Oswald Buddenhagen <oswald.buddenhagen@gmx.de>]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 02:53:19PM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 12:19:49 +0200,
>Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
>> 
>> you want me to spend additional time
>> on a driver barely anyone still cares about
>> to actively degrade the (my!) user experience
>> to avoid hypothetical / likely obsolete crashes
>> that would happen upon a rare user-controlled event
>> in unspecified buggy (mixer? (!)) applications,
>> while a known-good fallback exists (alsamixer).
>
>Simply put, YES.
>
well, your priorities don't align with the needs of actual users (that 
would be me, in this case).

>If you've ever programmed applications that deal with ALSA
>mixer/control stuff by yourself, you'll notice that it's really tough
>to deal with the dynamic deletion/addition.
>
hot-plugging always requires some care to handle. i don't consider this 
a showstopper, esp. in the year 2023, when udev and pulseaudio/pipewire 
go all crazy on us (and yes, that crashed kmix - big deal). i don't 
think it's sane to set the bar at 1995 standards. even less so when the 
class of potentially affected apps holds no user data of note.

>alsamixer can accept it in the limited manner,
>but it's no fallback for everything, of course.
>
i have no clue what point you're trying to make.

regards