From: Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
kernel-team@fb.com, Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Support private stack for bpf progs
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 09:43:04 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <036e4320-1e22-4066-bfa5-42b1fa290a39@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzZUT9fWZrcXN-HVM=ce6thNBCL2RrZ3sTsdMkTzmk=gwQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 7/19/24 8:28 PM, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:52 PM Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev> wrote:
>> The main motivation for private stack comes from nested
>> scheduler in sched-ext from Tejun. The basic idea is that
>> - each cgroup will its own associated bpf program,
>> - bpf program with parent cgroup will call bpf programs
>> in immediate child cgroups.
>>
>> Let us say we have the following cgroup hierarchy:
>> root_cg (prog0):
>> cg1 (prog1):
>> cg11 (prog11):
>> cg111 (prog111)
>> cg112 (prog112)
>> cg12 (prog12):
>> cg121 (prog121)
>> cg122 (prog122)
>> cg2 (prog2):
>> cg21 (prog21)
>> cg22 (prog22)
>> cg23 (prog23)
>>
>> In the above example, prog0 will call a kfunc which will
>> call prog1 and prog2 to get sched info for cg1 and cg2 and
>> then the information is summarized and sent back to prog0.
>> Similarly, prog11 and prog12 will be invoked in the kfunc
>> and the result will be summarized and sent back to prog1, etc.
>>
>> Currently, for each thread, the x86 kernel allocate 8KB stack.
>> The each bpf program (including its subprograms) has maximum
>> 512B stack size to avoid potential stack overflow.
>> And nested bpf programs increase the risk of stack overflow.
>> To avoid potential stack overflow caused by bpf programs,
>> this patch implemented a private stack so bpf program stack
>> space is allocated dynamically when the program is jited.
>> Such private stack is applied to tracing programs like
>> kprobe/uprobe, perf_event, tracepoint, raw tracepoint and
>> tracing.
>>
>> But more than one instance of the same bpf program may
>> run in the system. To make things simple, percpu private
>> stack is allocated for each program, so if the same program
>> is running on different cpus concurrently, we won't have
>> any issue. Note that the kernel already have logic to prevent
>> the recursion for the same bpf program on the same cpu
>> (kprobe, fentry, etc.).
>>
>> The patch implemented a percpu private stack based approach
>> for x86 arch.
>> - The stack size will be 0 and any stack access is from
>> jit-time allocated percpu storage.
>> - In the beginning of jit, r9 is used to save percpu
>> private stack pointer.
>> - Each rbp in the bpf asm insn is replaced by r9.
>> - For each call, push r9 before the call and pop r9
>> after the call to preserve r9 value.
>>
>> Compared to previous RFC patch [1], this patch added
>> some conditions to enable private stack, e.g., verifier
>> calculated stack size, prog type, etc. The new patch
>> also added a performance test to compare private stack
>> vs. no private stack.
>>
>> The following are some code example to illustrate the idea
>> for selftest cgroup_skb_sk_lookup:
>>
>> the existing code the private-stack approach code
>> endbr64 endbr64
>> nop DWORD PTR [rax+rax*1+0x0] nop DWORD PTR [rax+rax*1+0x0]
>> xchg ax,ax xchg ax,ax
>> push rbp push rbp
>> mov rbp,rsp mov rbp,rsp
>> endbr64 endbr64
>> sub rsp,0x68
>> push rbx push rbx
>> ... ...
>> ... mov r9d,0x8c1c860
>> ... add r9,QWORD PTR gs:0x21a00
>> ... ...
>> mov rdx,rbp mov rdx, r9
>> add rdx,0xffffffffffffffb4 rdx,0xffffffffffffffb4
>> ... ...
>> mov ecx,0x28 mov ecx,0x28
>> push r9
>> call 0xffffffffe305e474 call 0xffffffffe305e524
>> pop r9
>> mov rdi,rax mov rdi,rax
>> ... ...
>> movzx rdi,BYTE PTR [rbp-0x46] movzx rdi,BYTE PTR [r9-0x46]
>> ... ...
>>
> Eduard nerd-sniped me today with this a bit... :)
>
> I have a few questions and suggestions.
>
> So it seems like each *subprogram* (not the entire BPF program) gets
> its own per-CPU private stack allocation. Is that intentional? That
Currently yes. The reason is the same prog could be run on different
cpus at the same time.
> seems a bit unnecessary. It also prevents any sort of actual
> recursion. Not sure if it's possible to write recursive BPF subprogram
> today, verifier seems to reject obvious limited recursion cases, but
> still, eventually we might need/want to support that, and this will be
> just another hurdle to overcome (so it's best to avoid adding it in
> the first place).
>
> I'm sure Eduard is going to try something like below and it will
> probably break badly (I haven't tried, sorry):
>
> int entry(void *ctx);
>
> struct {
> __uint(type, BPF_MAP_TYPE_PROG_ARRAY);
> __uint(max_entries, 1);
> __uint(key_size, sizeof(__u32));
> __array(values, int (void *));
> } prog_array_init SEC(".maps") = {
> .values = {
> [0] = (void *)&entry,
> },
> };
>
> static __noinline int subprog1(void)
> {
> <some state on the stack>
>
> /* here entry will replace subprog1, and so we'll have
> * entry -> entry -> entry -> ..... <tail call limit> -> subprog1
> */
> bpf_tail_call(ctx, &prog_array_init, 0);
>
> return 0;
> }
>
>
> SEC("raw_tp/sys_enter")
> int entry(void *ctx)
> {
> <some state on the stack>
>
> subprog1();
> }
>
> And we effectively have limited recursion where the entry's stack
> state is clobbered, no?
>
> So it seems like we need to support recursion.
>
>
> So, the question I have is. Why not do the following:
> a) only setup r9 *once* in entry program's prologue (before tail call
> jump target)
> b) before each call we can adjust r9 with current prog/subprog's
> maximum *own* stack, something like:
>
> push r9;
> r9 += 128; // 128 is subprog's stack usage
> call <some-subprog>
> pop r9;
>
> The idea being that on tail call or in subprog call we assume r9 is
> already pointing to the right place. We can probably also figure out
> how to avoid push/pop r9 if we make sure that subprogram always
> restores r9 (taking tail calls into account and all that, of course)?
>
> Is this feasible?
This is possible. I actually hacked such an idea easily. The basic
idea is push frame pointer as an additional argument to the bpf
static sub-prog. This is a little bit complicated. It will probably
save some stack size but I am not sure how much it is.
>
> Another question I have is whether it would be possible to just plain
> set rbp to private stack and keep using rbp in such a way that stack
> traces are preserved? I.e., save return address on private stack to
> unwinders can correctly jump back to kernel's stack?
I also tried this approach earlier. But it is very trickly we need to
modify rbp/rsp and additional jit code will be added
If interrupts happens, we will not be able to get reliable stack trace.
>
> How stupid is what I propose above?
>
>
>> So the number of insns is increased by 1 + num_of_calls * 2.
>> Here the number of calls are those calls in the final jited binary.
>> Comparing function call itself, the push/pop overhead should be
>> minimum in most common cases.
>>
>> Our original use case is for sched-ext nested scheduler. This will be done
>> in the future.
>>
>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/707970c5-6bba-450a-be08-adf24d8b9276@linux.dev/T/
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>
>> ---
>> arch/x86/net/bpf_jit_comp.c | 63 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>> include/linux/bpf.h | 2 ++
>> kernel/bpf/core.c | 20 ++++++++++++
>> kernel/bpf/syscall.c | 1 +
>> 4 files changed, 82 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>>
> [...]
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-18 20:51 [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Support private stack for bpf progs Yonghong Song
2024-07-18 20:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/2] [no_merge] selftests/bpf: Benchmark runtime performance with private stack Yonghong Song
2024-07-18 21:44 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-18 21:59 ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-07-19 3:01 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-19 0:36 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-19 2:21 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-20 0:14 ` bot+bpf-ci
2024-07-20 1:08 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-22 16:33 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-20 3:28 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Support private stack for bpf progs Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-22 16:43 ` Yonghong Song [this message]
2024-07-24 5:08 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-24 16:54 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-24 17:56 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-22 20:57 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-23 1:05 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-23 3:26 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-24 3:17 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-24 4:06 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-24 4:46 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-24 4:32 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-23 5:30 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-23 7:02 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-22 3:33 ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-07-22 16:54 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-22 17:53 ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-07-22 17:51 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-22 18:22 ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-07-22 20:08 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-24 21:28 ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-25 4:55 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-25 17:20 ` Eduard Zingerman
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