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From: Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	kernel-team@fb.com, Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Support private stack for bpf progs
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:08:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f12db0b4-bcd4-4fb3-a0cf-35c96c2b549c@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <036e4320-1e22-4066-bfa5-42b1fa290a39@linux.dev>


On 7/22/24 9:43 AM, Yonghong Song wrote:
>
> On 7/19/24 8:28 PM, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:52 PM Yonghong Song 
>> <yonghong.song@linux.dev> wrote:
>>> The main motivation for private stack comes from nested
>>> scheduler in sched-ext from Tejun. The basic idea is that
>>>   - each cgroup will its own associated bpf program,
>>>   - bpf program with parent cgroup will call bpf programs
>>>     in immediate child cgroups.
>>>
>>> Let us say we have the following cgroup hierarchy:
>>>    root_cg (prog0):
>>>      cg1 (prog1):
>>>        cg11 (prog11):
>>>          cg111 (prog111)
>>>          cg112 (prog112)
>>>        cg12 (prog12):
>>>          cg121 (prog121)
>>>          cg122 (prog122)
>>>      cg2 (prog2):
>>>        cg21 (prog21)
>>>        cg22 (prog22)
>>>        cg23 (prog23)
>>>
>>> In the above example, prog0 will call a kfunc which will
>>> call prog1 and prog2 to get sched info for cg1 and cg2 and
>>> then the information is summarized and sent back to prog0.
>>> Similarly, prog11 and prog12 will be invoked in the kfunc
>>> and the result will be summarized and sent back to prog1, etc.
>>>
>>> Currently, for each thread, the x86 kernel allocate 8KB stack.
>>> The each bpf program (including its subprograms) has maximum
>>> 512B stack size to avoid potential stack overflow.
>>> And nested bpf programs increase the risk of stack overflow.
>>> To avoid potential stack overflow caused by bpf programs,
>>> this patch implemented a private stack so bpf program stack
>>> space is allocated dynamically when the program is jited.
>>> Such private stack is applied to tracing programs like
>>> kprobe/uprobe, perf_event, tracepoint, raw tracepoint and
>>> tracing.
>>>
>>> But more than one instance of the same bpf program may
>>> run in the system. To make things simple, percpu private
>>> stack is allocated for each program, so if the same program
>>> is running on different cpus concurrently, we won't have
>>> any issue. Note that the kernel already have logic to prevent
>>> the recursion for the same bpf program on the same cpu
>>> (kprobe, fentry, etc.).
>>>
>>> The patch implemented a percpu private stack based approach
>>> for x86 arch.
>>>    - The stack size will be 0 and any stack access is from
>>>      jit-time allocated percpu storage.
>>>    - In the beginning of jit, r9 is used to save percpu
>>>      private stack pointer.
>>>    - Each rbp in the bpf asm insn is replaced by r9.
>>>    - For each call, push r9 before the call and pop r9
>>>      after the call to preserve r9 value.
>>>
>>> Compared to previous RFC patch [1], this patch added
>>> some conditions to enable private stack, e.g., verifier
>>> calculated stack size, prog type, etc. The new patch
>>> also added a performance test to compare private stack
>>> vs. no private stack.
>>>
>>> The following are some code example to illustrate the idea
>>> for selftest cgroup_skb_sk_lookup:
>>>
>>>     the existing code                        the private-stack 
>>> approach code
>>>     endbr64                                  endbr64
>>>     nop    DWORD PTR [rax+rax*1+0x0]         nop    DWORD PTR 
>>> [rax+rax*1+0x0]
>>>     xchg   ax,ax                             xchg   ax,ax
>>>     push   rbp                               push   rbp
>>>     mov    rbp,rsp                           mov    rbp,rsp
>>>     endbr64                                  endbr64
>>>     sub    rsp,0x68
>>>     push   rbx                               push   rbx
>>>     ...                                      ...
>>>     ...                                      mov r9d,0x8c1c860
>>>     ...                                      add    r9,QWORD PTR 
>>> gs:0x21a00
>>>     ...                                      ...
>>>     mov    rdx,rbp                           mov    rdx, r9
>>>     add    rdx,0xffffffffffffffb4 rdx,0xffffffffffffffb4
>>>     ...                                      ...
>>>     mov    ecx,0x28                          mov    ecx,0x28
>>>                                              push   r9
>>>     call   0xffffffffe305e474                call 0xffffffffe305e524
>>>                                              pop    r9
>>>     mov    rdi,rax                           mov    rdi,rax
>>>     ...                                      ...
>>>     movzx  rdi,BYTE PTR [rbp-0x46]           movzx  rdi,BYTE PTR 
>>> [r9-0x46]
>>>     ...                                      ...
>>>
>> Eduard nerd-sniped me today with this a bit... :)
>>
>> I have a few questions and suggestions.
>>
>> So it seems like each *subprogram* (not the entire BPF program) gets
>> its own per-CPU private stack allocation. Is that intentional? That
>
> Currently yes. The reason is the same prog could be run on different
> cpus at the same time.
>
>> seems a bit unnecessary. It also prevents any sort of actual
>> recursion. Not sure if it's possible to write recursive BPF subprogram
>> today, verifier seems to reject obvious limited recursion cases, but
>> still, eventually we might need/want to support that, and this will be
>> just another hurdle to overcome (so it's best to avoid adding it in
>> the first place).
>>
>> I'm sure Eduard is going to try something like below and it will
>> probably break badly (I haven't tried, sorry):
>>
>> int entry(void *ctx);
>>
>> struct {
>>          __uint(type, BPF_MAP_TYPE_PROG_ARRAY);
>>          __uint(max_entries, 1);
>>          __uint(key_size, sizeof(__u32));
>>          __array(values, int (void *));
>> } prog_array_init SEC(".maps") = {
>>          .values = {
>>                  [0] = (void *)&entry,
>>          },
>> };
>>
>> static __noinline int subprog1(void)
>> {
>>      <some state on the stack>
>>
>>      /* here entry will replace subprog1, and so we'll have
>>       * entry -> entry -> entry -> ..... <tail call limit> -> subprog1
>>       */
>>      bpf_tail_call(ctx, &prog_array_init, 0);
>>
>>      return 0;
>> }
>>
>>
>> SEC("raw_tp/sys_enter")
>> int entry(void *ctx)
>> {
>>       <some state on the stack>
>>
>>       subprog1();
>> }
>>
>> And we effectively have limited recursion where the entry's stack
>> state is clobbered, no?
>>
>> So it seems like we need to support recursion.
>>
>>
>> So, the question I have is. Why not do the following:
>> a) only setup r9 *once* in entry program's prologue (before tail call
>> jump target)
>> b) before each call we can adjust r9 with current prog/subprog's
>> maximum *own* stack, something like:
>>
>> push r9;
>> r9 += 128; // 128 is subprog's stack usage
>> call <some-subprog>
>> pop r9;
>>
>> The idea being that on tail call or in subprog call we assume r9 is
>> already pointing to the right place. We can probably also figure out
>> how to avoid push/pop r9 if we make sure that subprogram always
>> restores r9 (taking tail calls into account and all that, of course)?
>>
>> Is this feasible?
>
> This is possible. I actually hacked such an idea easily. The basic
> idea is push frame pointer as an additional argument to the bpf
> static sub-prog. This is a little bit complicated. It will probably
> save some stack size but I am not sure how much it is.

Discussed with Andrii. I think the following approach should work.
For each non-static prog, the private stack is allocated including
that non-static prog and the called static progs. For example,
     main_prog
        static_prog_1
          static_prog_11
          global_prog
             static_prog_12
        static_prog_2

So in verifier we calculate stack size for
     main_prog
        static_prog_1
           static_prog_11
        static_prog_2
  and
     global_prog
       static_prog_12

Let us say the stack size for main_prog like below for each (sub)prog
     main_prog // stack size 100
        static_prog_1 // stack size 100
          static_prog_11 // stack size 100
        static_prog_2 // static size 100
so total static size is 300 so the private stack size will be 300.
So R9 is calculated like below
     main_prog
       R9 = ... // for tailcall reachable, R9 may be original R9 + offset
                // for non-tailcall reachable, R9 equals the original R9 (based on jit-time allocation).
       ...  R9 ...
       R9 += 100
       static_prog_1
          ... R9 ...
          R9 += 100
          static_prog_11
            ... R9 ...
          R9 -= 100
       R9 -= 100
       ... R9 ...
       R9 += 100
       static_prog_2
          ... R9 ...
       R9 -= 100

Similary, we can calculate R9 offset for
     global_prog
       static_prog_12
as well.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-24  5:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-18 20:51 [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Support private stack for bpf progs Yonghong Song
2024-07-18 20:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 2/2] [no_merge] selftests/bpf: Benchmark runtime performance with private stack Yonghong Song
2024-07-18 21:44   ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-18 21:59     ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2024-07-19  3:01       ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-19  0:36     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-19  2:21       ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-20  0:14   ` bot+bpf-ci
2024-07-20  1:08   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-22 16:33     ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-20  3:28 ` [PATCH bpf-next v2 1/2] bpf: Support private stack for bpf progs Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-22 16:43   ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-24  5:08     ` Yonghong Song [this message]
2024-07-24 16:54       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-24 17:56         ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-22 20:57   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-23  1:05     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-23  3:26       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-24  3:17         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-24  4:06           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-24  4:46             ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-24  4:32           ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-23  5:30       ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-23  7:02         ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-22  3:33 ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-07-22 16:54   ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-22 17:53     ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-07-22 17:51   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-22 18:22     ` Eduard Zingerman
2024-07-22 20:08       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-24 21:28   ` Yonghong Song
2024-07-25  4:55     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-07-25 17:20       ` Eduard Zingerman

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