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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Michael Jeanson <mjeanson@efficios.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/8] tracing/ftrace: guard syscall probe with preempt_notrace
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 21:33:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <90ca2fee-cdfb-4d48-ab9e-57d8d2b8b8d8@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241003210403.71d4aa67@gandalf.local.home>

On 2024-10-04 03:04, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 20:26:29 -0400
> Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> static void ftrace_syscall_enter(void *data, struct pt_regs *regs, long id)
>> {
>>           struct trace_array *tr = data;
>>           struct trace_event_file *trace_file;
>>           struct syscall_trace_enter *entry;
>>           struct syscall_metadata *sys_data;
>>           struct trace_event_buffer fbuffer;
>>           unsigned long args[6];
>>           int syscall_nr;
>>           int size;
>>
>>           syscall_nr = trace_get_syscall_nr(current, regs);
>>           if (syscall_nr < 0 || syscall_nr >= NR_syscalls)
>>                   return;
>>
>>           /* Here we're inside tp handler's rcu_read_lock_sched (__DO_TRACE) */
>>           trace_file = rcu_dereference_sched(tr->enter_syscall_files[syscall_nr]);
>>
>> ^^^^ this function explicitly states that preempt needs to be disabled by
>> tracepoints.
> 
> Ah, I should have known it was the syscall portion. I don't care for this
> hidden dependency. I rather add a preempt disable here and not expect it to
> be disabled when called.

Which is exactly what this patch is doing.

> 
>>
>>           if (!trace_file)
>>                   return;
>>
>>           if (trace_trigger_soft_disabled(trace_file))
>>                   return;
>>
>>           sys_data = syscall_nr_to_meta(syscall_nr);
>>           if (!sys_data)
>>                   return;
>>
>>           size = sizeof(*entry) + sizeof(unsigned long) * sys_data->nb_args;
>>
>>           entry = trace_event_buffer_reserve(&fbuffer, trace_file, size);
>> ^^^^ it reserves space in the ring buffer without disabling preemption explicitly.
>>
>> And also:
>>
>> void *trace_event_buffer_reserve(struct trace_event_buffer *fbuffer,
>>                                    struct trace_event_file *trace_file,
>>                                    unsigned long len)
>> {
>>           struct trace_event_call *event_call = trace_file->event_call;
>>
>>           if ((trace_file->flags & EVENT_FILE_FL_PID_FILTER) &&
>>               trace_event_ignore_this_pid(trace_file))
>>                   return NULL;
>>
>>           /*
>>            * If CONFIG_PREEMPTION is enabled, then the tracepoint itself disables
>>            * preemption (adding one to the preempt_count). Since we are
>>            * interested in the preempt_count at the time the tracepoint was
>>            * hit, we need to subtract one to offset the increment.
>>            */
>> ^^^ This function also explicitly expects preemption to be disabled.
>>
>> So I rest my case. The change I'm introducing for tracepoints
>> don't make any assumptions about whether or not each tracer require
>> preempt off or not: it keeps the behavior the _same_ as it was before.
>>
>> Then it's up to each tracer's developer to change the behavior of their
>> own callbacks as they see fit. But I'm not introducing regressions in
>> tracers with the "big switch" change of making syscall tracepoints
>> faultable. This will belong to changes that are specific to each tracer.
> 
> 
> I rather remove these dependencies at the source. So, IMHO, these places
> should be "fixed" first.
> 
> At least for the ftrace users. But I think the same can be done for the
> other users as well. BPF already stated it just needs "migrate_disable()".
> Let's see what perf has.
> 
> We can then audit all the tracepoint users to make sure they do not need
> preemption disabled.

Why does it need to be a broad refactoring of the entire world ? What is
wrong with the simple approach of introducing this tracepoint faultable
syscall support as a no-op from the tracer's perspective ?

Then we can build on top and figure out if we want to relax things
on a tracer-per-tracer basis.

Thanks,

Mathieu



-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-04  1:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-03 15:16 [PATCH v1 0/8] tracing: Allow system call tracepoints to handle page faults Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 1/8] tracing: Declare system call tracepoints with TRACE_EVENT_SYSCALL Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 21:32   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  0:15     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04  1:06       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  1:34         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 10:34   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 2/8] tracing/ftrace: guard syscall probe with preempt_notrace Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 22:23   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  0:26     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04  1:04       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  1:33         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-10-04 13:26           ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04 14:18             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 14:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04 14:19             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 14:52               ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04 14:51                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04 20:04                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-10-04 20:59                     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 3/8] tracing/perf: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 22:25   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  0:17     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 4/8] tracing/bpf: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 22:26   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-03 23:05     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-10-04  0:30       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-04  1:28         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 5/8] tracing: Allow system call tracepoints to handle page faults Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 22:29   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  0:35     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 6/8] tracing/ftrace: Add might_fault check to syscall probes Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 22:36   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  0:11     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 7/8] tracing/perf: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 22:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  0:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 15:16 ` [PATCH v1 8/8] tracing/bpf: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-10-03 22:38   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-10-04  0:13     ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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